Re: FLAME Re: What about the Oracle vs Sybase Ads?

>>The Microsoft/Sybase DBMS engine has more front-end tool support than any
>>other, which is the real-world benefit of a standard.
 

>Wrong. Factually not true. It ain't so. I'm happy to prove this.
>Give me your definition of "more front-end tool support" and I will
>demonstrate the falsity of your position. (Always has been, BTW,
>despite Microsoft advertising to the contrary.)
 

>In fact, give me as many definitions as you like, and I'll prove your
>assertion false for all of them, for any point or period of time.

I think to anyone following the trade press this may indicate that you don't have an objective view of the DBMS market.

>>You missed my point. I said that distributed DBMS is a bleeding-edge
>>technology now whose complexities make the ease of programming a two-phase
>>commit a minor issue. Clearly, however, a product that would simplify that
>>task and do all the other necessary optimization well would have an
>>advantage.
 

>Oh. First, you say that only Sybase offers the features that you need
>to implement a "real world client server" RDBMS solution. Now you say
>that Sybase's features are "bleeding edge", and Sybase's marketing
>mantra of the last six years, "two phase commit", is suddenly revealed
>to be "a minor issue". And I'm supposed to trust these people?

You continue to equate client-server computing with distributed computing. Also, let me clarify that my interest is in industrial strength applications that support a large number of users with centrally enforced data integrity. It is clear that exchanges of data between a few machines have always been possible, as long as this exchange is of small volume and you don't have high standards for enforcing integrity in the distributed database in event of failure of one of the parts. Industrial strength distributed DBMSs which rigorously enforce such integrity under substantial volumes of data transfer ARE a bleeding edge technology.

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