Re: metalink still unuseable the 2nd day ...
From: joel garry <joel-garry_at_home.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:42:03 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <0506afcb-6a75-450b-8d6a-1a1b37b25256_at_k13g2000prh.googlegroups.com>
On Nov 12, 7:57 am, Steve Howard <stevedhow..._at_gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 12, 7:48 am, MBPP <mpacheco_bra..._at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 11, 4:05 pm, Noons <wizofo..._at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 12, 1:38 am, MBPP <mpacheco_bra..._at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > IE also worked fine (version 8). I also noted they call the SWF
> > > > directly without a "wrapper" to check Flash version, etc. My Flash
> > > > version here is 10.0.32, try to upgrade if you have version 9, maybe
> > > > it can help? I read somewhere that they demand 9.0.115 or greater I
> > > > think.
>
> > > Oh great! So now, besides having to figure out all the db versions
> > > and patches to make things work, we also are supposed to track the
> > > "consistency" of browser version and flash version?
>
> > > Welcome to the brave new world of dba2.0: spend all your time trying
> > > to get the "easy, time-saving UI" to work!
>
> > > I'm on 10.0.32 Flash and latest FF and still having minor nagging
> > > problems with it. It'll go away, I'm sure. But did it really need to
> > > be like this?
>
> > Of course not, I too think the new interface could be simpler and
> > faster. Disclaimer, I don't work for Oracle but I work with Oracle
> > databases as a DBA and developer for +14 years. Note, the idea behind
> > RIA interfaces is to make the applications more interactive and faster
> > to navigate since you don't (re)load pages for every navigation and
> > you don't need to mimic visual effects using tons of CSS/Javascript.
> > The visual "appealing" in my opinion is a secondary consideration that
> > must be touched only after the application meets all its functional
> > requirements. For the past 2 years I am working with Adobe Flex
> > (Flash) creating RIA applications for customers that use Oracle as
> > database. Our architecture on the Oracle side is based on PL/SQL
> > stored procedures that dynamically generate XML via EPG or MOD_PLSQL.
> > This is in fact the same method that the old Metalink was using but
> > generating dynamic HTML. But now it seems they are using a Java middle
> > tier so most likely they recoded big portions of it. In my opinion if
> > they would have continued to use MOD_PLSQL they would just need to
> > adapt the output to XML (via a parameter) and things would be much
> > simpler and faster. They would be able to run both versions in
> > parallel without the need to migrate any data. Once users are happy
> > and it is stable you turn the old off. On the interface side they
> > could just keep more or less the same general interface as the old
> > Metalink in version 1 and enhance it visually in the next versions.
> > Apparently they did too much in one shot and the results are here for
> > everyone to see. This is something I saw many times in the past, the
> > development/management team is induced with "hype" technologies and
> > make things much more complex than they should be.
>
> I don't know about the most of the people on this board, but I use
> Metalink almost exclusively for searching issues I am currently
> encountering. Fix that first, as it is absolutely awful, even if it
> didn't come from a database company. I mean atrocious.
>
> I was on a call with a support analyst from Oracle yesterday (an
> absolutely fantastic one, BTW), and he said he had just googled
> something for an answer. That's all I needed to hear. Download
> Google's home search page and see how many bytes it is.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:42:03 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <0506afcb-6a75-450b-8d6a-1a1b37b25256_at_k13g2000prh.googlegroups.com>
On Nov 12, 7:57 am, Steve Howard <stevedhow..._at_gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 12, 7:48 am, MBPP <mpacheco_bra..._at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 11, 4:05 pm, Noons <wizofo..._at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 12, 1:38 am, MBPP <mpacheco_bra..._at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > IE also worked fine (version 8). I also noted they call the SWF
> > > > directly without a "wrapper" to check Flash version, etc. My Flash
> > > > version here is 10.0.32, try to upgrade if you have version 9, maybe
> > > > it can help? I read somewhere that they demand 9.0.115 or greater I
> > > > think.
>
> > > Oh great! So now, besides having to figure out all the db versions
> > > and patches to make things work, we also are supposed to track the
> > > "consistency" of browser version and flash version?
>
> > > Welcome to the brave new world of dba2.0: spend all your time trying
> > > to get the "easy, time-saving UI" to work!
>
> > > I'm on 10.0.32 Flash and latest FF and still having minor nagging
> > > problems with it. It'll go away, I'm sure. But did it really need to
> > > be like this?
>
> > Of course not, I too think the new interface could be simpler and
> > faster. Disclaimer, I don't work for Oracle but I work with Oracle
> > databases as a DBA and developer for +14 years. Note, the idea behind
> > RIA interfaces is to make the applications more interactive and faster
> > to navigate since you don't (re)load pages for every navigation and
> > you don't need to mimic visual effects using tons of CSS/Javascript.
> > The visual "appealing" in my opinion is a secondary consideration that
> > must be touched only after the application meets all its functional
> > requirements. For the past 2 years I am working with Adobe Flex
> > (Flash) creating RIA applications for customers that use Oracle as
> > database. Our architecture on the Oracle side is based on PL/SQL
> > stored procedures that dynamically generate XML via EPG or MOD_PLSQL.
> > This is in fact the same method that the old Metalink was using but
> > generating dynamic HTML. But now it seems they are using a Java middle
> > tier so most likely they recoded big portions of it. In my opinion if
> > they would have continued to use MOD_PLSQL they would just need to
> > adapt the output to XML (via a parameter) and things would be much
> > simpler and faster. They would be able to run both versions in
> > parallel without the need to migrate any data. Once users are happy
> > and it is stable you turn the old off. On the interface side they
> > could just keep more or less the same general interface as the old
> > Metalink in version 1 and enhance it visually in the next versions.
> > Apparently they did too much in one shot and the results are here for
> > everyone to see. This is something I saw many times in the past, the
> > development/management team is induced with "hype" technologies and
> > make things much more complex than they should be.
>
> I don't know about the most of the people on this board, but I use
> Metalink almost exclusively for searching issues I am currently
> encountering. Fix that first, as it is absolutely awful, even if it
> didn't come from a database company. I mean atrocious.
>
> I was on a call with a support analyst from Oracle yesterday (an
> absolutely fantastic one, BTW), and he said he had just googled
> something for an answer. That's all I needed to hear. Download
> Google's home search page and see how many bytes it is.
Someone else mentioned that (funnily enough, after I had posted in another thread how I'd given up on forum search and gave an example to someone on how to use google to do it, and the someone else thanked me for that), but I disagree: http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?messageID=3892731�
But I guess if you really like the most seo-aware authors rather than correct information, be my guest.
jg
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