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Marc Blum wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 21:23:42 +0000, Niall Litchfield
> <niall.litchfield_at_dial.pipex.com> wrote:
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>> Marc Blum wrote: >>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:11:51 -0700, DA Morgan <damorgan_at_psoug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Here I agree and I will go one step further. No developer should ever >>>> have access to a production database except as an end-user utilizing the >>>> application. I've yet to see a legitimate reason for any developer to >>>> have production access privs. >>> Maybe because there's some urgent issue to be solved, maybe production ist >>> coming to a grinding halt and there's a need for someone who knows the >>> requirements and the implementation and the technology to get rid of the issue >>> NOW! Production DBAs fail in the first and second point. >> If they do then at the very least the change control process if not the >> entire development process has failed. Surely the scenario above can >> only happen where the developers know what they are doing, why they are >> doing it and what they are doing it with - but unaccountably fail to >> tell anyone any of this? Equally a DBA that lets code to production with >> no idea of purpose, scope or impact isn't worth the name.
You are making an assumption not supported by real-world experience.
It may be true that in your experience DBAs are not competent. But I can assure you that the DBAs at amazon.com know what is going on and nothing goes into production that they don't understand: Nothing.
The same is true through-out the cellular phone industry headquartered here in the Pacific Northwest and even at Boeing.
A DBA that puts something into production without understanding it should be sued for malpractice.
>> Mind you for >> all of the folks that have setups where the developers know the business >> and the dbas don't I sure hope the support calls all go to the >> developers first - anything else would be a misroute.
That unfortunately is still true in much of the industry. Those in our industry, at the top of their game, are using their own in-house systems (Amazon) or OEM Grid meaning the DBAs often know about and resolve an issue long before end-users are aware of it.
-- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan_at_x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) Puget Sound Oracle Users Group www.psoug.orgReceived on Sun Nov 04 2007 - 14:06:02 CST
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