Re: Another oracle resource goes down the drain

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:22:03 -0700, michaelnorbert wrote:

> Kevin Closson posts daily on oracle-l.

Mostly pointers to his blog.

> Was it necessary for the personal attack on Steve Adams?

Why does everybody get so excited about poor, ol' Stevo? In my opinion he did more damage then Don Burleson by posting few inaccurate articles and everybody got excited, called him dinosaur, senile etc. Steve Adams turned one of the most useful resources in the Oracle world into a boring source of useless spam by enforcing "moral majority" philosophy and "politically correct" behavior. I haven't read a useful article there for months and it was pummping daily kilobytes into my mailbox. The truth is, with all these blogs around (Kevin, Jonathan, Tom), I have no time for
- A lady asking how to expire passwords on the list, of course   too proud to look into manuals. That's for geeks, not for ladies. - A clueless guy who wants to know something about AIX "migratepv"   command and Oracle but is not really sure what he wants or how to   ask that. He is on the way to destruction and wants to make his time   on the list. Of course, all his base are belong to us. - A guy dispensing harmful advice which is supposed to convert an Oracle   RDBMS into SQL Server on steroids. The advice is really about shooting   oneselfe in a foot. I was thrown out for telling the idiot who was   dispensing such "advice" that he is in no way qualified to offer   his "words of wisdom" to anybody. I should have done it in the polite   way and the old Stevo, the list's mom, suspended me for behaving badly. - Many other stupid questions thar reveal not only ignorance but also   insulting mental laziness.

So, I decided to go out with a bang and to go after a guy who has ruined one of the most valuable resources in the oracle world.

> I remember reading your name on Tom Kyte's blog
> about oracle-l and the quality of the people that post there. Your name
> on that blog meant that you were a valued member of the oracle
> community. Don't you think your actions take away from your oracle
> reputation?

I make or break my reputation by showing knowledge in the appropriate areas when and where that is necessary. I don't think that a beef with a guy who ruined a very good list would harm my reputation just because he wrote an internals book once upon a time. Oracle8i is no more, even his web page is inaccurate and obsolete and he's doing a great disservice to the Oracle community by enforcing his vision of political correctness. The facts are:
1) This used to be a very useful list, with experst posting on it

   frequently.
2) This list is now all but useless. I posted and advice here and there

   but mostly, I was ignoring 99% of the traffic. 3) He was the list moderator in the sad period during which experts

   stopped giving the tone to the list and morons started to dominate the    list. To his credit, he made sure that morons were behaving politely.

He is directly responsible for ruining the list. He hasn't posted anything useful on the list or elsewhere in a long time. Let's face it: he used to be an Oracle professional, now he's just a PHB. He is like a good mom, making sure that the children are playing nicely. Of course, I don't need a mom and I don't need idiots spamming me. If people were so up in arms about the harmless, old Don Burleson, why such fuss about actually much more destructive Steve Adams whose incompetency was felt by many more people then the few inaccurate information posted by Burleson? Is that Oedipus complex, people seeing a father figure, telling them off if they're not playing nice?

I am aware that I can't do much about it. I am considering starting my own list, but I am not sure about that. So far, I am thinking about collecting tidbits from oracle-l and posting them on this forum or elsewhere in sort of "shark tank" or "BOFH" format either here or on my blog, which I have first to create.

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