Re: Could Mark Townsend please comment on this question re: Standard Edition

"Jim Kennedy" <jim dot scuba dot kennedy at gee male dot com> schreef in bericht news:8Kednc-1mLcuBrDYnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d_at_comcast.com...
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> "sybrandb" <sybrandb_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> hpuxrac wrote:
>> > I just did an install of Oracle Standard Edition 10.2 on a linux centos
>> > 4.3 machine and created a database.
>> >
>> > I did acknowledge thru OEM that I was aware of the license requirements
>> > for the oracle packs ( configuration/diagnostic/tuning ).
>> >
>> > The database control comes up and yes indeed you can use the
>> > Performance tab, ADDM, etc on the standard edition database.
>> >
>> > I am confused and referenced the documentation that Mark pointed out in
>> > an earlier posting
>> >
>> >
> http://download-east.oracle.com/docs/cd/B19306_01/license.102/b14199/toc.htm
>> >
>> > Now according to that document there is no way "EVER" that one can
>> > license the packs for a standard edition database. Yet oracle installs
>> > the packs and they function in the database control when you select
>> > standard edition.
>> >
>> > Something is wrong here at least to me. Either you should be able to
>> > license the packs for standard edition OR if you are not ever able to
>> > do that, the oracle software install should have those disabled these
>> > from the beginning with no way to ever turn on the functionality in a
>> > standard edition database.
>> >
>> > Under the current situation, it appears to me as if oracle is not
>> > acting in good faith for people that are installing standard edition.
>> >
>> > Is there some kind of implicit hinting by oracle that you can't
>> > actually license them but we want you to go ahead and use them in
>> > standard edition.
>> >
>> > If one were a little paranoid ( aren't all good dba's a little paranoid
>> > ? ) then one might wonder if oracle might at some point audit certain
>> > customers and ask them to pay for an upgrade to enterprise edition as
>> > well as the cost of those packs if they detect that they have been
>> > used.
>> >
>> > Something just doesn't seem right about this situation.
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>> Audits are actually taking place, aren't they? And Oracle is going to
>> loose customers because of that.
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>> --
>> Sybrand Bakker
>> Senior Oracle DBA
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> Plus if you send in an RDA output it shows what you used. If you query
> the
> AWR tables it will show up in the RDA output.
> Jim
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It sounds like buying a car with a spare tyre, and being not allowed to use it. So the car dealer asks you to puncture your spare tyre before your first ride, or pay extra. (or airco, sunroof etc).

>> > Is there some kind of implicit hinting by oracle that you can't
>> > actually license them but we want you to go ahead and use them in
>> > standard edition.

Yes there is or used to be. (although it may be illegal). Having dealt with several license negotiations in the past, I know Oracle (sales people, don't know about Larry) allows customers to buy (and pay for) a standard edition, knowing they actually want an EE, and will use SOME of the EE features, just to rule out the competition, it's all a matter of negotiating. And: it used to be common practice to start license negotiations close before the end of May. For winning a trip to Barcelona (or where ever) sales people were prepared to give away a lot of goodies, all for the sake of their sales results for the year (closing May 31). Don't know how it is now, for I haven't done negotiations for some years, and license structures tend to change very 2-3 years... Which, by the way , is also a good occasion to 'upgrade' licences without any cost, by being 'creative' when mapping old licenses to new ones (just spending a few Euros buying some extra licenses). I have never seen Oracle perform audits (which does not mean they don't). They just take a look at your company, the size and what you're doing, and estimate a 'reasonable' license fee.... Size does matter in this case (which doesn't mean it does or doesn't in other occasions).

Oracle Education has a special training about license structures etc. Need I say more about the complexity of their license structures? Received on Thu Oct 12 2006 - 04:21:54 CDT