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From: Goulet, Dick <DGoulet_at_vicr.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:24:33 -0800
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AMEN!!
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Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA=20

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 8:42 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

If MySQL comes to have the same capabilities that many people expect=20 from Oracle, marketing will have no effect. The huge differential in = price=20
point will be all that matters.=20

Jared=20

        DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM>=20 Sent by: ml-errors_at_fatcity.com=20

 01/19/2004 04:04 PM=20
 Please respond to ORACLE-L=20

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Sounds like the old Oracle vs. Ingress battles. Oracle won because it = was
better at marketing. All detailed in the book "The Difference Between = God
and Larry Ellison". I can see it now -- MySQL, the Oracle of the free databases.

Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com=20

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Ryan,

                It's postgres.org.  I'm not sure how they generate the =
operating
revenue they need, but that's why they are not advertising like MySql AB = is.

Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

i thought postgre was a for profit company? how do they generate = revenues?
----- Original Message -----
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:19 PM

> 1) DBI is a perl module to handle the communication with various
databases.
> 2) Postgres is free. I believe that you can buy commercial support, =
but I
don't know
> where. May be Rich can jump in with that.
> 3) DBI is free and so is perl. I'm cheap & easy, but not free.
>
>
> On 01/14/2004 02:34:52 PM, Ryan wrote:
> > what is DBI?
> >
> > is postgre free? Is it like linux where you pay for support? I cant =
find
any
> > licensing info on the website. Most shops dont need oracle, sql =
server,
> > sybase, or DB2.
> >
> > Most applications are small. I was on a project where the government =
had
an
> > Oracle EE license on windows. They didnt even use foreign key
constraints.
> > Had a whopping 13 tables, 20 MB of data, and 10-15 users. Any free
database
> > could have handled that.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:44 PM
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On 01/14/2004 12:44:25 PM, "Jesse, Rich" wrote:
> > > > If you have the choice, look at PostgreSQL in addition to MySQL.
From
> > what
> > > > I've seen, it's more mature than MySQL.
> > >
> > > I second that. PostgresSQL supports transactions and uses perl as =
its
> > > scripting language. From what little I read and saw (just a little
pilot
> > > project with the goal to see "what the heck is Postgres"), it's a =
very
> > > decent database, with a decent performance and capabilities =
sufficient
> > > for a small, departmental database server. I know nothing of
clustering,
> > > distributed database, database links, replication and alike. In =
other
> > words,
> > > I wouldn't use it for an enterprise-wide server for GE or =
Wall-Mart,
but
> > > it can be quite a convenient storage space for a small corner shop =
or
a
> > > small department. Because of perl and DBI, exchanging data with =
other
> > > servers like oracle or UDB (DB2) is easy.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mladen Gogala
> > > Oracle DBA
> > > --
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<P><FONT size=3D2>Dick Goulet<BR>Senior Oracle DBA<BR>Oracle Certified = 8i=20
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  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> = Jared.Still_at_radisys.com=20
  [mailto:Jared.Still_at_radisys.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 19, = 2004 8:42=20
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> Multiple recipients of list = ORACLE-L<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:=20
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  comes to have the same capabilities that many people expect</FONT> = <BR><FONT=20
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  huge differential in price</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3Dsans-serif = size=3D2>point will=20
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      <TD><FONT face=3Dsans-serif size=3D1><B>DENNIS WILLIAMS=20
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        <P><FONT face=3Dsans-serif size=3D1>&nbsp;01/19/2004 04:04 =
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        <BR><FONT face=3Dsans-serif size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT><FONT =
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        size=3D1>Please respond to ORACLE-L</FONT> <BR></P>
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    Mysql</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR><BR><FONT face=3D"Courier = New"=20
  size=3D2>Sounds like the old Oracle vs. Ingress battles. Oracle won = because it=20
  was<BR>better at marketing. All detailed in the book "The Difference = Between=20
  God<BR>and Larry Ellison". I can see it now -- MySQL, the Oracle of = the=20
  free<BR>databases.<BR><BR>Dennis Williams<BR>DBA<BR>Lifetouch,=20   Inc.<BR>dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com <BR><BR>-----Original = Message-----<BR>Sent:=20
  Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:39 PM<BR>To: Multiple recipients of list =

  ORACLE-L<BR><BR><BR>Ryan,<BR><BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; = &nbsp;=20
  &nbsp; &nbsp; It's postgres.org. &nbsp;I'm not sure how they generate = the=20
  operating<BR>revenue they need, but that's why they are not = advertising like=20
  MySql AB is.<BR><BR>Dick Goulet<BR>Senior Oracle DBA<BR>Oracle = Certified 8i=20
  DBA<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>Sent: Wednesday, January 14, = 2004=20
  5:05 PM<BR>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L<BR><BR><BR>i = thought=20
  postgre was a for profit company? how do they generate = revenues?<BR>-----=20
  Original Message -----<BR>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L"=20   &lt;ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com&gt;<BR>Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:19 =

  PM<BR><BR><BR>&gt; 1) DBI is a perl module to handle the communication = with=20
  various<BR>databases.<BR>&gt; 2) Postgres is free. I believe that you = can buy=20
  commercial support, but I<BR>don't know<BR>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;where. = May be=20
  Rich can jump in with that.<BR>&gt; 3) DBI is free and so is perl. I'm = cheap=20
  &amp; easy, but not free.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; On 01/14/2004 = 02:34:52 PM,=20
  Ryan wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; what is DBI?<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; is = postgre=20
  free? Is it like linux where you pay for support? I cant = find<BR>any<BR>&gt;=20
  &gt; licensing info on the website. Most shops dont need oracle, sql=20   server,<BR>&gt; &gt; sybase, or DB2.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Most=20   applications are small. I was on a project where the government=20   had<BR>an<BR>&gt; &gt; Oracle EE license on windows. They didnt even = use=20
  foreign key<BR>constraints.<BR>&gt; &gt; Had a whopping 13 tables, 20 = MB of=20
  data, and 10-15 users. Any free<BR>database<BR>&gt; &gt; could have = handled=20
  that.<BR>&gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt; &gt; To: = "Multiple=20
  recipients of list ORACLE-L" &lt;ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; = Sent:=20
  Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:44 PM<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; = &gt;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; On 01/14/2004 12:44:25 PM, "Jesse, Rich" = wrote:<BR>&gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; &gt; If you have the choice, look at PostgreSQL in addition = to=20
  MySQL.<BR>From<BR>&gt; &gt; what<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I've seen, = it's more=20
  mature than MySQL.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; I second that.=20   PostgresSQL supports transactions and uses perl as its<BR>&gt; &gt; = &gt;=20
  scripting language. From what little I read and saw (just a=20   little<BR>pilot<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; project with the goal to see "what = the heck=20
  is Postgres"), it's a very<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; decent database, with a = decent=20
  performance and capabilities sufficient<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; for a small, =

  departmental database server. I know nothing of<BR>clustering,<BR>&gt; = &gt;=20
  &gt; distributed database, database links, replication and alike. In=20   other<BR>&gt; &gt; words,<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; I wouldn't use it for an=20   enterprise-wide server for GE or Wall-Mart,<BR>but<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; = it can be=20
  quite a convenient storage space for a small corner shop = or<BR>a<BR>&gt; &gt;=20
  &gt; small department. Because of perl and DBI, exchanging &nbsp;data = with=20
  other<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; servers like oracle or UDB (DB2) is = easy.<BR>&gt; &gt;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; --<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Mladen Gogala<BR>&gt; &gt; = &gt;=20
  Oracle DBA<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; --<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Please see the = official=20
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