Allan, the world is changing rapidly and what we are faced with is nothing
less
then a complete failure of all social systems. The problem is that we need
less
human work then ever before. ATM's, industrial robots, smart farming
machines, internet
(how many shop attendants in bookstores have lost jobs because of Amazon?)
are taking away
jobs. Airline pilots used to be glamorous characters. Now, their salaries
start at $35k and
there is a rumor about the whole new generation of airplanes which will not
need human
pilots. Hopefully, those will not run MS-Windows. In short, work ceased to
be in short supply.
The problem is that there we have 6.5 billion humans on this planet and that
we all want to
eat, have families, be healthy, have cars, cable TV and the internet access,
swimming pools
and alike. Someone should better provide it to people if they are unable to
provide for themselves,
or you will have crime, gated communities, social unrest and catastrophic
system failures on all sides.
With the advent of mass education, we now have an oversupply of highly
trained and
well educated workers, as well as the complete failure of management which
still uses
the old time proven "drill sergeant" style. That is why so many damagers
fret over telecommuting.
The net result is that the prices of highly qualified work like the DBA work
are falling
and that there is no more security. We're living in another "fin de siecle"
period, which
will probably end with some sort of solution in 2070. Unfortunately, you and
me are unlikely
to benefit from that, although I'd like to see what the crazy sixties will
be like. As I was
born in 1961., I'd be in my 100's so I will not be able to enjoy the goodies
(and inhale).
I have no solution or answer to those problems, but the fact is that we're
going to be
replaced by the machines. Arnold will be among the first ones.
--
Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA
-----Original Message-----
Nelson, Allan
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:29 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
America doesn't do anything you mentioned as a collective entity. We
individuals would like to live normal American resonably economically secure
lives. We grew up in that environment and we kind of like it with some
individual exceptions. Tech was supposed to provide those kind of career
paths. Whenever this kind of thing happens the individuals involved feel
betrayed by the economic entities that have benefited both from the labor we
have invested in our careers and the money we have spent on the products
made by these corporations. We feel that those American executives, who are
after all not making the argument that we can get cheaper executives in
India too, are breaking the implicit bargin we made. Not that this "bargin"
ever had any standing in reality but we are talking about people's feelings
here.
Allan
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:59 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
labor is just like another raw material . when America can dump chemical ,
weapons , plastic and electronic on name of free trade to all over world ,
why are we scarred when someone else is dumping labor ??
-ak
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> You preachin' to the choir here ... <g>
>
> v/r
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Wolfe Stephen S GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI
> > >
> > > be an overall benefit to the economy, too. However, the financial
> > > argument of should I pay 75K - 120K a year for US based DBAs or
> > > pay 45K - 80K for offshore talent is hard to beat. The money
> > > ranges I gave are contract employee/job shop type of quotes, IOW,
> > > a 75K US position would be for a junior DBA that is actually
> > > getting 35K-40K and so on up the skill range.
> > >
> > But don't forget the hidden costs. You need an experienced person at
> > your end, with good communications skills, to manage the
> > outsourcing. Plus, you have to take into account the time difference
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