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Re: OT -- Boston Globe job listings

From: Joe Testa <jtesta_at_dmc-it.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:39:24 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.005CAB44.20030814103924@fatcity.com>


Steve taking that a bit further, you're important enough to be doing wireless email in caribbean, remind me to NOT be that way IF i ever grow up :)

joe

Orr, Steve wrote:

>I'm ideologically opposed to almost anything that obstructs free trade,
>even if it directly affects my personal economy, income and career. It's
>a global economy and other industries (e.g. auto mfgrs., textiles,
>agriculture, etc.) have had to adapt or cope so why shouldn't we? What
>makes us think we're so special or should be exempt? If someone can do
>your job better and cheaper than you is it their fault? The best
>protection is not in trade legislation but in being competitive and
>providing a good service with value. If your job merely involves
>"interfacing" with computers via an online session then it really
>doesn't matter where you are. That can be both good and bad depending on
>your circumstance.
>
>
>Steve Orr, disciple of Adam Smith...
>
>Virtually present in Bozeman, MT but actually operating from my laptop
>via wireless connection while sunning at the beach on a heretofore
>undisclosed Carribean Isle.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:34 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>This makes me puke.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:04 AM
>
>
>
>
>>I know of one Fortune 50 company (US) that has a local division that
>>has fired all of their programmers at least at that location. All's
>>done in India with e-mail, web, and teleconfrencing.
>>
>>Rich
>>
>>Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
>>rjesse_at_qtiworld.com Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Mark Leith [mailto:mark_at_cool-tools.co.uk]
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:54 AM
>>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>>>Subject: RE: OT -- Boston Globe job listings
>>>
>>>
>>>Ken,
>>>
>>>With the amount of companies I talk to (in a sales-critter
>>>role) you would
>>>actually be surprised at how many people ARE doing exactly this!
>>>
>>>Mark
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>KENNETH JANUSZ
>>>Sent: 14 August 2003 16:45
>>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>>>
>>>
>>>Dennis:
>>>
>>>With respect to sending production DBA positions to India, et
>>>al. I don't
>>>think companies are very included to do this because of
>>>security concerns
>>>and the confidentiality of the information stored in the DB.
>>> It's not a
>>>good idea to open your DB's to the entire world.
>>>
>>>Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:24 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ken - Since you've recently changed jobs, your upbeat attitude is
>>>>encouraging. I think you've made a good point that jobs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>aren't always
>>>
>>>
>>>>advertised. Another point is that when there are more jobs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>than available
>>>
>>>
>>>>candidates, companies have to advertise strongly to fill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>their positions.
>>>
>>>
>>>>When there are more candidates than available jobs,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>companies often find
>>>
>>>
>>>>that people are seeking out the opening before they post it.
>>>>
>>>>Patrice - Look at what happened over the previous years. In 1999
>>>>corporations spent wildly on I.T. (naturally when the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>catastrophe didn't
>>>
>>>
>>>>occur because of the tireless efforts of I.T. people, the senior
>>>>
>>>>
>>>executives
>>>
>>>
>>>>felt the money was wasted). Then when spending would have
>>>>naturally declined, the dot-com madness stuck and things went
>>>>wild. I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>think we are
>>>
>>>
>>>>just about to come out of the natural down cycle due to the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>extravagant
>>>
>>>
>>>>dot-com spending. But now I keep seeing articles about how much
>>>>
>>>>
>>>development
>>>
>>>
>>>>work is being sent overseas. Has anyone seen that affect
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Oracle DBA work
>>>
>>>
>>>>yet?
>>>>
>>>>Dennis Williams
>>>>DBA
>>>>Lifetouch, Inc.
>>>>dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com <mailto:dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:14 AM
>>>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I don't think it has as much to do with no available
>>>>
>>>>
>>>positions (although
>>>
>>>
>>>>that is part of the answer) as most medium to large
>>>>
>>>>
>>>companies don't use
>>>
>>>
>>>>newspaper ads anymore. They are using the internet (especially
>>>>for technical jobs) and are signed up with Monster, BrassRing,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>etc. to do
>>>their
>>>
>>>
>>>>recruiting for them from their own company web sites. I've
>>>>
>>>>
>>>seen this
>>>
>>>
>>>>definite shift here in the Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN area
>>>>
>>>>
>>>over the past
>>>
>>>
>>>>couple of years. Most of these companies also provide
>>>>
>>>>
>>>e-mail service that
>>>
>>>
>>>>sends you an email when a job is posted that meets your
>>>>
>>>>
>>>specs. So, why
>>>
>>>
>>>>waste your time on newspaper ads that only appear every Sunday?
>>>>
>>>>My $0.02 worth,
>>>>
>>>>Ken Janusz, CPIM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:34 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I've been keeping an eye on the Boston Globe's Oracle DBA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>job postings,
>>>
>>>
>>>>two
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>years ago it wasn't uncommon to see eight or more per
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>week, now I tend
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>see one or two, or none.
>>>>>
>>>>>For a while they also announced big IT job fairs, I don't
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>know if they
>>>
>>>
>>>>still
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>do that or how successful they now are.
>>>>>
>>>>>The market has really shrunk in two years!
>>>>>
>>>>>There can't be a huge glut of DBAs out there looking for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>work... It
>>>must
>>>
>>>
>>>>be
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>a reduction in demand because companies are not making big
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>infrastructure
>>>
>>>
>>>>>changes anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>Patrice.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>--
>>Author: Jesse, Rich
>> INET: Rich.Jesse_at_qtiworld.com
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