RE: OT -- Boston Globe job listings

At least some parts were. We use OPM here and it was a conversion of GEMMS done in India.

Allan
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Wasn't Oracle 11i developed outside the USA? The initial implementations were a real mess.

Ken

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> Of course the shipment of "development work" out of the US affects
> DBAs! Support of production systems is only one part of the job, and
> the outsourcing of application development to another physical
> location then necessarily outsources the systems/database
> administration with it. How many huge application development
> projects do you see in the US these

days?
>
> There is no "cherry picking". The IT industry in the US is moving
overseas,
> it is a trend, and it will move much faster than the manufacturing
> sector did, for obvious reasons. There is lighter equipment to move.
>
> It is difficult to tell that the water level in the lake is dropping
> when you are treading water. Until your feet touch bottom...
>
>
>
> on 8/14/03 8:24 AM, DENNIS WILLIAMS at DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM wrote:
>
> > Ken - Since you've recently changed jobs, your upbeat attitude is
> > encouraging. I think you've made a good point that jobs aren't
> > always advertised. Another point is that when there are more jobs
> > than

available
> > candidates, companies have to advertise strongly to fill their
positions.
> > When there are more candidates than available jobs, companies often
> > find that people are seeking out the opening before they post it.
> >
> > Patrice - Look at what happened over the previous years. In 1999
> > corporations spent wildly on I.T. (naturally when the catastrophe
> > didn't occur because of the tireless efforts of I.T. people, the
> > senior

executives
> > felt the money was wasted). Then when spending would have naturally
> > declined, the dot-com madness stuck and things went wild. I think we

> > are just about to come out of the natural down cycle due to the
> > extravagant dot-com spending. But now I keep seeing articles about
> > how much

development
> > work is being sent overseas. Has anyone seen that affect Oracle DBA
> > work yet?
> >
> > Dennis Williams
> > DBA
> > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com <mailto:dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com>
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:14 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > I don't think it has as much to do with no available positions
> > (although that is part of the answer) as most medium to large
> > companies don't use newspaper ads anymore. They are using the
> > internet (especially for technical jobs) and are signed up with
> > Monster, BrassRing, etc. to do

their
> > recruiting for them from their own company web sites. I've seen
> > this definite shift here in the Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN area over

> > the past couple of years. Most of these companies also provide
> > e-mail service

that
> > sends you an email when a job is posted that meets your specs. So,
> > why waste your time on newspaper ads that only appear every Sunday?
> >
> > My $0.02 worth,
> >
> > Ken Janusz, CPIM
> >
> >
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> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:34 AM
> >
> >
> >> I've been keeping an eye on the Boston Globe's Oracle DBA job
> >> postings,
> > two
> >> years ago it wasn't uncommon to see eight or more per week, now I
> >> tend

to
> >> see one or two, or none.
> >>
> >> For a while they also announced big IT job fairs, I don't know if
> >> they
> > still
> >> do that or how successful they now are.
> >>
> >> The market has really shrunk in two years!
> >>
> >> There can't be a huge glut of DBAs out there looking for work...
> >> It

must
> > be
> >> a reduction in demand because companies are not making big
infrastructure
> >> changes anymore.
> >>
> >> Patrice.
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