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RE: runInstaller

From: <Scott.Shafer_at_dcpds.cpms.osd.mil>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:59:13 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.00494232.20020710115913@fatcity.com>


Same here. I'll be buying it...

<just in case the previous email was taken as actual begging instead of humor>

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
210-581-6217

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rachel Carmichael [SMTP:wisernet100_at_yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:46 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: runInstaller
>
> Jared,
>
> As an author, I know the value of having people actually BUY the book
> :)
>
> I have no problem buying a copy -- you just have to PROMISE to sign it!
>
> Hm, I guess this means you're going to have to show up at IOUG 2003 <G>
>
>
> --- Jared.Still_at_radisys.com wrote:
> > Me and my big mouth.
> >
> > I should have added that most of these are spoken for
> > by folks that did actual work in helping us out. :)
> >
> > I'll see what I can do. :)
> >
> > Jared
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rachel Carmichael <wisernet100_at_yahoo.com>
> > Sent by: root_at_fatcity.com
> > 07/10/2002 12:09 PM
> > Please respond to ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > cc:
> > Subject: RE: runInstaller
> >
> >
> > gee if that's all it takes, how about
> >
> > This book is the best Oracle and Perl book ever written. Why, even a
> > total Perl neophyte like me can understand and immediately use
> > everything in the book, even before reading it.
> >
> >
> > :)
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Jared.Still_at_radisys.com wrote:
> > > > hoping for that free book from Jared..
> > >
> > > Well, I get 20 of them.
> > >
> > > How's that review coming. :)
> > >
> > > Jared
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Grabowy, Chris" <cgrabowy_at_fcg.com>
> > > Sent by: root_at_fatcity.com
> > > 07/10/2002 11:10 AM
> > > Please respond to ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > > cc:
> > > Subject: RE: runInstaller
> > >
> > >
> > > 1) Production shop, obviously your not installing Oracle that much.
> >
> > > But a
> > > development shop is regularly installing Oracle. It would seem
> > that
> > > people
> > > with a "command line" background appreciate the power, flexibility,
> > > speed,
> > > and therefore crave a command line installer. While people with a
> > > "GUI"
> > > background appreciate the comfort of GUI. Click your radio
> > buttons,
> > > click
> > > Next. Click Help if your stuck, etc.
> > >
> > > 2/3) Yes, Java is everywhere for a reason. But real cross platform
> > > development....Perl....(hoping for that free book from
> > Jared..(grin))
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 12:24 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > All this ranting is nice but consider the following:
> > >
> > > 1) You do not install oracle on a server so much.
> > > In fact, in our shop this is done by the technical
> > > people, not the DBA. The DBA got the machine with
> > > oracle already installed and just build the database.
> > >
> > > 2) When you have to do cross platform development
> > > Java is the tool to save on resources.
> > >
> > > 3) Any machine that's need to run a production database
> > > should be strong enough to run Java ok.
> > >
> > > Yechiel Adar (not an oracle employee)
> > > Mehish
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:08 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > > Me thinks this was done to check off some boxes to indicate that
> > > Oracle
> > > is
> > > > "easy" to install and maintain (OEM). These are boxes that SQL
> > > Server
> > > had
> > > > checked off (I guess) for a long time, and Oracle didn't. And
> > > Oracle
> > > can
> > > > check the Java box a few dozen times now. "Oracle is now easier
> > > for
> > > your
> > > > (in)experienced IT shop to setup and maintain.", Oracle sales guy
> > > rants
> > > and
> > > > raves. "And you don't need to pay for those over-priced
> > > experienced
> > > DBAs
> > > > anymore!!!", he exclaims. CIOs eyes glaze over...
> > > >
> > > > I am getting tired of W2K, and yearn to get back to Solaris....or
> > > any
> > > *NIX.
> > > > Sigh.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > [mailto:Scott.Shafer_at_dcpds.cpms.osd.mil]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 6:24 PM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh the system does. That's a given. There is no need to java-fy
> > > > everything. There was a perfectly good working installer. Not
> > > everyone
> > > > wants to jump through the hoops of setting up xservers and
> > watching
> > > all
> > > your
> > > > RAM consumed by the JRE.
> > > >
> > > > Perl and Perl TK are multi-platform, small footprint, etc. OEM
> > 1.6
> > >
> > > still
> > > > had mostly Tcl/TK pieces and parts and ran fast and reliably.
> > Not
> > > so
> > > for
> > > > OEM 2.x. Give me a command line back for installs. That's not
> > too
> > > much
> > > to
> > > > ask, right?
> > > >
> > > > Scott Shafer
> > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > > 210-581-6217
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Ray Stell [SMTP:stellr_at_cns.vt.edu]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:48 PM
> > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > > Subject: Re: runInstaller
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You might look at silent mode install, Note:73510.1
> > > > >
> > > > > I have found that on really hot machines oui is a screamer. It
> > > could
> > > be
> > > > > your system needs a facelift.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 12:47:19PM -0800,
> > > Scott.Shafer_at_dcpds.cpms.osd.mil
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > What I wouldn't give for "./orainst /c" right now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <RANT>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Where is the productivity and ease of use of the #$%^#@ OUI
> > > when it
> > > > > takes
> > > > > > hours and hours just to load up all the java crap! Piece of
> > > garbage
> > > is
> > > > > > enough to make me want to go back to 7.3.4 - and shoot the
> > > idiot who
> > > > > thought
> > > > > > up java...
> > > > > >
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
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