RE: OT - Vaccines

From: Kathy Duret <KathyD_at_belkin.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:11:57 -0700
Message-ID: <F001.0036F979.20010817112237@fatcity.com>

Don't
be, having kids is the most wonderful thing in the world! And you start losing your mind when you get pregnant!

Believe it or not one of the best resources I have is just talking to other women at Baby's R Us, grocery store and the doctor's office. They will let you know what works and what doesn't. Also, each baby and pregnancy is quite different. You learn by trial and unfortunately error with each.

Kathy

-----Original Message-----From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:lisa.koivu_at_efairfield.com]Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:09 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: OT - Vaccines
 YOU GUYS ARE SCARING ME OUT OF HAVING CHILDREN!
 How on earth can a parent make the
 right decisions?? All the information flying around on the list is pretty unnerving. Sure the numbers may be very low but the #1 thing I worry about (and most other expectant parents) is the baby's health. How do all you parents do this without going batty.... But thanks for sharing all this
 info.

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actually, while the overall rate may well have dropped, the US has an ABHORRENT record in this department:
 Read this and *weep*
 <A
 href="http://www.aihw.gov.au/publications/health/ihhac/ihhac-c05d.pdf" target=_blank>http://www.aihw.gov.au/publications/health/ihhac/ihhac-c05d.pdf

Note, also, that MOST of the reduction in IMR have NOTHING to do with vaccines...most of them have to do with congenital defects...perinatal complications...etc. In fact, SIDS may be *directly correlated* to increased vaccination:
A quote:

In 1950, before mass vaccination began, the USA had the third lowest infant mortality rate in the world. By 1986, the USA dropped to 17th place. By 1995, there were 23 countries ahead of the USA, by now world renowned for its appalling infant mortality. The greatest percentage of these deaths is from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). The link between vaccination and SIDS is indisputable <A href="http://hometown.aol.com/drdawndc/cdab.htm" target=_blank>http://hometown.aol.com/drdawndc/cdab.htm SIDS is not easy to cure with Infant Tylenol.

Happily, at least one country thinks it has a solution:
 <A
 href="http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/hattersley-jg-j_orthomol_med-199" target=_blank>http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/hattersley-jg-j_orthomol_med-199 3-v8-n4-p229.htm
 A quote: "(2) Crib deaths nearly disappeared in Japan in 1975 when first inoculations were postponed until the 24th month of life." -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L sicker? possibly. But the infant mortality rate has dropped.
>From: "Babette Turner-Underwood"

 <babette+oraclelist_at_pythian.com> >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> >Subject:
 RE: OT - Vaccines >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 05:36:53 -0800 > >I wonder if there is a link between all of these vaccines >that are forced upon our
 children and the increase in >childhood illnesses, such as asthma and allergies
>and ADHD and ...?? <FONT

 face=Arial size=2>> >Something has
 changed. With our new improved health >care system, I believe on average children are sicker
>than they were 20 or 30 years ago.
> >-

 babette > <FONT face=Arial

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> > >yikes.....the immune
 system is fabulously complex....second in complexity >only to the brain itself...and it is still very very much in development >at early
 ages...this is why kids -- all kids -- get more colds, etc than
>us older folks...the system is literally
 "learning" for the first few years >or more. > >Pounding this system with "new" vaccines...before it is developed, or fully >able
>to defend itself ( vaccines ARE basically
 hobbled diseases, folks ) is >really >scary to me.
> >Also, remember...you and I may get chicken pox ( i did, and mumps...) but >we get it by host to host contact...NOT by *intravenous injection* >directly >into
 the bloodstream where orders of magnitude more of disease vectors are
>introduced into the body than if they had to
 pass through the skin or >mucosal
 linings.... > >just a thought..... > >-----Original
 Message----- >Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:45 PM >To: Multiple
 recipients of list ORACLE-L >
> >Give

 the kid some baby motrin or baby tylenol prior to the shot. Works >wonders. I've got two who
 just got a round of vaccinations this week. > >Scott Shafer
>San Antonio, TX <FONT face=Arial

    size=2>> > <FONT 
    face=Arial size=2>>Kathy Duret wrote: <FONT face=Arial 
    size=2>> > > > Thanks for the

link. As a new parent of a 4 month old, I am always
>looking for things to read about

 newborns. > > > > Some Health centers (Long Beach, CA) are now requiring children to have >TB
>shots before they can be entered into day
 care. My pediatrician refuses >(thankfully) to do it before 6 months even if they have been exposed to the >virus because of the potential side effects. > >
> > It is really hard to see my 4 month
 old get three shots (they won't >split >them up I asked) at
 one time. His little legs are so bruised afterwards. >It takes him a week to get back to normal. But often the benefits outweigh >the
 risks. Just be aware of the side effects and watch them like a hawk. >I >get up several times a night for several days after the shots to check my >babies color, breathing and temperature. Better neurotic than sorry.
> > > > My husband and I both go on vaccination day, so one can comfort the baby >on the way home
 while the other drives. I read somewhere that a doctor
>actually said they don't feel that much
 pain. He should have seen my >babies >legs and heard him
 scream. > > > > This is probably one of the worst things about being a parent. > >
> > kathy > > > > -----Original
 Message----- > > Sent: Thursday,
 August 16, 2001 12:33 PM > > To:
 Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >
> > > As having a few chicken

 pox scars (luckily in areas that are not seen) I >understand this some. >
> > > The vaccine also prevents

 Shingles later in life. Shingles normally >happens in older people where your immune system is stressed/suppressed. >It
>is quite painful. Even though I am not
 very old, I have experienced >Shingles and it ain't fun. > >
> > Both Shingles and Chicken Pox are
 forms of the Herpes Virus. Cannot >remember which simplex, but not symplex 10 I'm sure. And not the same >symplex as your STD type Herpes. > > > > And if you live in Virginia, it's state law that children are immunized >against
 Chicken Pox. Before age 3 I believe. > > > > -----Original
 Message----- > > Sent: Thursday,
 August 16, 2001 3:14 PM > > To:
 Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >
> > > There is a whole new class

 of vaccines the drug companies are pushing > > that are supposed to prevent generally non-life-threatening illnesses > > like Chicken
 Pox. Merck's Chicken Pox vaccine ad is particularly > > heinous, as it promotes the vaccine as preventing cosmetic blemishes > >
 that result from Chicken Pox. >
> > > Another in a long line of

 medicines for healthy people with unknown >long-term effects. >
> > > If you are interested in

 Vaccine safety and dangers, there is an > > organization devoted to the subject: > > > >
 National Vaccine Information Center >
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