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Actually, cases of SIDS can be directly linked to infants sleeping on their backs instead of their stomachs. There have been a lot of studies that seem to indicate that this singlehandedly reduced SIDS related deaths by a significant number. Perhaps the fact that you lift most of your body weight into the air just to get a breath has something to do with it? I would suspect that it's not good for anybody to sleep on their stomachs especially children with developing lungs.
As far as Japan goes let's just mention one other tidbit here. They have a greater incidence of stomach cancer than any other developed country. Perhaps their infant's experiences have something to do with diet? Raw fish is probably not good for anybody when eaten in mass quantities. Ooops, that opens up another can of worms indeed :)
This is a great off-topic thread. My kudos to the one that originated it. There's a free vaccine in it for you as a thank you gift :O
--Michael
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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:48 PM
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actually, while the overall rate may well have dropped, the US has an ABHORRENT record in this department:
Read this and *weep*
http://www.aihw.gov.au/publications/health/ihhac/ihhac-c05d.pdf
Note, also, that MOST of the reduction in IMR have NOTHING to do with vaccines...most of them have to do with congenital defects...perinatal complications...etc.
In fact, SIDS may be *directly correlated* to increased vaccination:
A quote:
http://hometown.aol.com/drdawndc/cdab.htm
SIDS is not easy to cure with Infant Tylenol.
Happily, at least one country thinks it has a solution:
http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/hattersley-jg-j_orthomol_med-199 3-v8-n4-p229.htm
A quote: "(2) Crib deaths nearly disappeared in Japan in 1975 when first inoculations were postponed until the 24th month of life."
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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:16 PM
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sicker? possibly. But the infant mortality rate has dropped.
>From: "Babette Turner-Underwood" <babette+oraclelist_at_pythian.com>
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>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: RE: OT - Vaccines
>Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 05:36:53 -0800
>
>I wonder if there is a link between all of these vaccines
>that are forced upon our children and the increase in
>childhood illnesses, such as asthma and allergies
>and ADHD and ...??
>
>Something has changed. With our new improved health
>care system, I believe on average children are sicker
>than they were 20 or 30 years ago.
>
>- babette
>
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>Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 5:33 PM
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>
>
>yikes.....the immune system is fabulously complex....second in complexity
>only to the brain itself...and it is still very very much in development
>at early ages...this is why kids -- all kids -- get more colds, etc than
>us older folks...the system is literally "learning" for the first few years
>or more.
>
>Pounding this system with "new" vaccines...before it is developed, or fully
>able
>to defend itself ( vaccines ARE basically hobbled diseases, folks ) is
>really
>scary to me.
>
>Also, remember...you and I may get chicken pox ( i did, and mumps...) but
>we get it by host to host contact...NOT by *intravenous injection*
>directly
>into the bloodstream where orders of magnitude more of disease vectors are
>introduced into the body than if they had to pass through the skin or
>mucosal linings....
>
>just a thought.....
>
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>
>Give the kid some baby motrin or baby tylenol prior to the shot. Works
>wonders. I've got two who just got a round of vaccinations this week.
>
>Scott Shafer
>San Antonio, TX
>
>
>Kathy Duret wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the link. As a new parent of a 4 month old, I am always
>looking for things to read about newborns.
> >
> > Some Health centers (Long Beach, CA) are now requiring children to have
>TB
>shots before they can be entered into day care. My pediatrician refuses
>(thankfully) to do it before 6 months even if they have been exposed to the
>virus because of the potential side effects.
> >
> > It is really hard to see my 4 month old get three shots (they won't
>split
>them up I asked) at one time. His little legs are so bruised afterwards.
>It takes him a week to get back to normal. But often the benefits outweigh
>the risks. Just be aware of the side effects and watch them like a hawk.
>I
>get up several times a night for several days after the shots to check my
>babies color, breathing and temperature. Better neurotic than sorry.
> >
> > My husband and I both go on vaccination day, so one can comfort the baby
>on the way home while the other drives. I read somewhere that a doctor
>actually said they don't feel that much pain. He should have seen my
>babies
>legs and heard him scream.
> >
> > This is probably one of the worst things about being a parent.
> >
> > kathy
> >
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> >
> > As having a few chicken pox scars (luckily in areas that are not seen) I
>understand this some.
> >
> > The vaccine also prevents Shingles later in life. Shingles normally
>happens in older people where your immune system is stressed/suppressed.
>It
>is quite painful. Even though I am not very old, I have experienced
>Shingles and it ain't fun.
> >
> > Both Shingles and Chicken Pox are forms of the Herpes Virus. Cannot
>remember which simplex, but not symplex 10 I'm sure. And not the same
>symplex as your STD type Herpes.
> >
> > And if you live in Virginia, it's state law that children are immunized
>against Chicken Pox. Before age 3 I believe.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 3:14 PM
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> >
> > There is a whole new class of vaccines the drug companies are pushing
> > that are supposed to prevent generally non-life-threatening illnesses
> > like Chicken Pox. Merck's Chicken Pox vaccine ad is particularly
> > heinous, as it promotes the vaccine as preventing cosmetic blemishes
> > that result from Chicken Pox.
> >
> > Another in a long line of medicines for healthy people with unknown
>long-term effects.
> >
> > If you are interested in Vaccine safety and dangers, there is an
> > organization devoted to the subject:
> >
> > National Vaccine Information Center
> > http://www.909shot.com
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