RE: comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch

Funny, the threads on my MS Outlook at home never show up as threads... I end up with little entries all over the place. Might as well rely on e-mail.

The volume on the newsgroup is much higher, but perhaps as a result there is a LOT of junk going through there, a lot of spam. Some of it is offensive, nobody seems to be moderating that newsgroup at all. The listserv doesn't have that problem, the last time someone sent job offers to the members of this list, the sender received phone calls, and a flurry of e-mails to tell him to cease and desist. On the newsgroup I haven't seen it happen. Maybe if the spam was removed from the newsgroup, I would spend more time reading its threads.

The threads also seem to cover a broader range of topics than this listserv does. I prefer this list because I do database admin, and although I subscribed to the ODTUG listserv for developers, I like to keep the two areas separate (DBA and development).

Once in a while in the evening I access the newsgroup to see what is going on there, but often I end up sifting through hundreds of entries, deleting 80% of them or more.

I agree that there are knowledgeable people on the newsgroup as well.

I prefer this listserv.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
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        -----Original Message-----
        From:   Paul Drake [SMTP:paled_at_home.com]
        Sent:   Thursday, May 10, 2001 4:40 AM
        To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
        Subject:        comp.oracle.databases.server vs ORACLE-L: deathmatch

        I have to say that the newsgroup comp.oracle.databases.server is
much
        more NT Friendly.
        (IOUG: Did anything happen from IOUG concerning the ORACLE-NT-L
mailing
        list?)
        Not just Jonathan Lewis, but Sybrand Baker, Howard Rodgers, Ricky
        Sanchez put out some pretty good stuff.

        I'd post to the ORACLE-L from work - but its a long story.
        Basically, I'm subscribed at work in DIGEST mode, but I can't get
out of
        it.
        So I post when I get home from the home mail account that I can't
use
        from work.

        Yes, most of the newsgroup is junk, but lately, I'd say that the
        signal-to-noise ratio is comperable to ORACLE-L. 
        Best thing is - its threaded. Email just plain sucks. Threading
rules
        (not in an OS - just in messages).

        and there's (practically) no lag.

        So in a deathmatch, the interested newsgroup readers/posters would
have
        won the competition 2 hours before the first post was received by
all
        the ORACLE-L subscribers.

        just my opinion.

        the attached is typical for the material I see in the newsgroup.

        Paul




        -------- Original Message --------
        Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 04:56:31 GMT
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        Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle.server
        References: <u0SJ6.9519$Co.868190_at_wagner.videotron.net>

        Syltrem wrote:


        > 

        > Hi!

        > 

        > When you shutdown an NT system, how do you ensure that the Oracle

DB is


        > shutdown properly?

        > 

        > Other than connecting manually and doing a shutdown immediate,

that is. I


        > would like the process of shutting down Oracle to be automatic.

        > 

        > Thanks!

        > 

        > --

        > 


        If you installed the Oracle Administration Assistant for Windows NT,
        there is a panel that contains a radio button as to selecting the
        shutdown mode ('normal','immediate','abort').

        to access it select:

        Start - Programs - Oracle-Ora81 - Database Administration - Oracle
        Administration Assistant for Windows NT

        under the 'Databases' node, right click on the particular database
and
        select "startup shutdown options"
        in the "Oracle Instance" panel, you have a checkbox for "Shut down
        instance when service is stopped"
        under that is the radio button set for the shutdown options.

        click ok - and close the MMC console.

        If you are running W2K server or Pro - MMC is included.
        If you are running NT4 - you need to have installed the MMC for the
        Oracle Admin Asst plug-in.

        hth,

        Paul
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