Re: Constraints and Functional Dependencies
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:08:27 GMT
Message-ID: <va%Dh.744$PV3.10980_at_ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>
Marshall wrote:
> On Feb 24, 7:55 am, Bob Badour <bbad..._at_pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>Marshall wrote: >> >>>[...] >> >>Those look good to me. Domain constraints are very easy: >> >>forall R(a1,...an): a1 in d1 and ... an in dn
>
> Does the term "domain constraint" mean anything different
> than "type constraint?"
>
> It is mind bendingly whacky to me to think of merging type
> constraints into the general constraint system. This is very
> different from the usual programming languages way of
> thinking about them, at least for me. But I have to say
> I am very intrigued by the idea.
>
>
>>I don't know why you think one cannot express unboundedness--not that >>the constraint is meaningful for finite computers. >> >>forall R(a): exists R(a'): a' = a + 1 >> >>or >> >>forall R(a): exists R(a'): a' > a
>
> One can express unboundedness, but since I was proposing
> limiting what one can quantify over to named relations, and
> since the natural numbers are something other than that,
> (an infinite set) my expressiveness restrictions make it
> impossible to express the unboundedness *of the natural
> numbers* specifically.
Suppose one has an extent function that returns a relation representing the extent of a type. Then "extent(natural)" is the name for a relation representing the set of all natural numbers.
However, in a real computer, the natural type will be finite not infinite and the unbounded constraint above would always fail (except for empty relations ironically).
Assuming a max function that returns the largest value in an ordered type.
> Although as I mentioned in another post, there do exist
> systems that can prove (static) properties of the natural
> numbers, using algebraic manipulations, not exhaustive
> computation. (Clearly, as you mentioned, the technique
> of exhaustive computation is inapplicable to infinite sets.)
>
>
> Marshall
>
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