Re: Nulls, integrity, the closed world assumption and events

From: Marshall <marshall.spight_at_gmail.com>
Date: 22 Jan 2007 10:48:57 -0800
Message-ID: <1169491737.709556.29820_at_v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>


On Jan 22, 7:29 am, "dawn" <dawnwolth..._at_gmail.com> wrote:

>

> I agree. What do you think of products such as Intersystems Cache'?
> What would you suspect (or know) might be missing for such a product to
> meet your needs? --dawn

Hey Dawn,

I note that your speculative, discursive style of essay hasn't been received with much favor here. Would you consider another approach? Would you consider the possibility of addressing specific problems and providing specific solutions? You could, for example, pick some common problem domain, invent a conceptual schema, propose a logical schema in an MV approach and a SQL approach (and possibly a Tutorial D approach.) The SQL you come up with could perhaps be polished by other people; maybe you could use some of your MV acquaintances to polish the MV queries.

For example, I often think of problems in terms of a schema with Customers, Invoices, and InvoiceLineItems. These are familiar to anyone who has ever bought anything, so they have the advantage of being a common ground for discussion. (As well as being a very real-world application of data management.)

One problem I have with a lot of your posts is that they are very abstract and nebulous. We traded lists of questions a short time ago, and I couldn't help but notice that most of my questions had definite answers, and most of yours didn't. This idea would make the discussion more concrete. If you have the courage of your convictions, you should to be able to demonstrate a variety of situations where MV works better in the small, rather than just giving anecdotes about how well you feel it works in the unmanageable-to-compare large.

It wouldn't even have to be a particularly theory-based dialog. Just propose a problem, build a schema in MV and SQL, build some challenging queries in MV and SQL. MV does have a fairly standardized query language, does it not?

What do you think?

Marshall Received on Mon Jan 22 2007 - 19:48:57 CET

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