Re: Has E/R had a negative impact on db?

From: David Cressey <>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:47:27 GMT
Message-ID: <3sM2g.274$_e.103_at_trndny08>

"Bob Badour" <> wrote in message news:V1L2g.64571$
> David Cressey wrote:

> > I honestly believe that this long discussion has lost sight of the idea
> > the E/R model is an analysis model, and not a design model. Arbitrary
> > choices made during the analysis phase can be useful, in order to come
> > with a conceptual model that is easily communicated from one person to
> > another. That's the main usefulness of an E/R model, IMO. If the E/R
> > were a design model, then arbitrary choices would be far more costly.
> Perhaps, our experiences differ. I have found the NIAM/ORM methods of
> constructing english sentences to describe the concepts more useful for
> communicating with domain experts.

Perhaps. I don't have enough experience with NIAM/ORM to compare with E/R.

> Programmers like pretty pictures, but users' and business experts' eyes
> glaze over. This usually precedes: "That's good. When will the software
> be ready?" ;)

Our experiences differ here, as well. The users and business experts I've dealt with like pretty pictures, provided they are few in number! On the other hand, a large number of English sentences, bound together in something like a "functional spec" make their eyes glaze over. Received on Sun Apr 23 2006 - 16:47:27 CEST

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