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Re: Does Codd's view of a relational database differ from that ofDate&Darwin?[M.Gittens]

From: Jan Hidders <jan.hidders_at_REMOVETHIS.pandora.be>
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:27:56 GMT
Message-ID: <wZcve.129864$Id2.7086132@phobos.telenet-ops.be>


Jon Heggland wrote:
> In article <8L2ve.129452$Qy4.7039020_at_phobos.telenet-ops.be>,
> jan.hidders_at_REMOVETHIS.pandora.be says...
>

>>Well, even for an anecdote it's a bit light on information. Basically 
>>all I know now is that someone with better qualifications than you said 
>>something that you apparently very much disagreed with. [...]> 

>
> Yes, except (as I forgot to say) that 'the name' changed 'its' mind
> after reading the other two reviews of the paper.

Ok. That is indeed interesting.

> The reason I am light
> on information is that I am not sure about the ethics of giving the
> names of the people involved. Or details of the paper, for that matter.

Actually you already stepped the line a bit. Telling us any more would be clearly over it.

> But never mind. My point was just that even respected scientists may be
> blind to the reinvention of wheels, especially if the technology names
> are changed and steeped in hype.

Oh yeah. No doubt about that.

>>>So it is a renaissance of the network model? 
>>
>>Well, if you want to call it that. But as I said, that name has all 
>>kinds of connotations that would not be justified. The data model would 
>>be more expressive. The constraint language would be very different. The 
>>query language would be very different. The update language would be 
>>very different. View definitions would be different. The way that 
>>queries would be optimized would be very different. Concurrency control 
>>would be different. These are not trivial things. They matter.

>
> Of course they matter. I'm just wondering why all this would be
> different. Just the advent of new and better brains since the
> sixties/seventies, or other developments of computer science?

The progress of science. We now know more and understand certain problems better.

>>>Ok ... but I though half the point of OODBs was to lessen the "impedance 
>>>mismatch" between procedural OO programming languages and declarative 
>>>databases (by making the databases less declarative). What is the 
>>>motivation now?
>>
>>I'm not sure I understand. Whose motivation? For what?

>
> The motivation for studying network databases under a new name, even
> with different languages.

It provides you with a higher-level data model. Moreover, it has slowly begun to dawn on people that the big advantages of the relational model (simplicity, formal basis, data-independence, declarativity, etc.) are actually also easiliy achieved in other data models. There's nothing special about the relational model in that respect.

Received on Sat Jun 25 2005 - 08:27:56 CDT

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