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Re: One Ring to Bind Them

From: Eric Kaun <ekaun_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:01:14 GMT
Message-ID: <eunzc.307$2J7.142@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>


Yes, you're right on all counts.

It seems that at some point in the history of computing, software developers decided to traipse down the path of implementation, rather than the other fork: declarative logic. Somehow thinking like a processor, juggling long procedures and registers (objects), is deemed better than writing engines / JVMs / compilers that take declarative statements and generate the necessary procedures.

"Laconic2" <laconic2_at_comcast.net> wrote in message news:c9GdnW9YiKJkSlDd4p2dnA_at_comcast.com...
> Was: In an RDBMS, what does "Data" mean?
>
> "Eric Kaun" <ekaun_at_yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:wekzc.25516$Dh6.9215_at_newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
>
> > This is, more than anything, the philosophical divide between relational
> and
> > Pick folks. The more rules, the more they should be kept OUT of the
> > application code. "Application" means just that: a judicious
application.
> Of
> > what? Rules. Application != definition, just as implementation !=
> > specification.
>
> It isn't just the Pick folks. The OO folks also feel that the business
> rules belong encapsulated inside the objects that "really know what's
going
> on", as opposed to formalized as metadata and shared the same way data
is
> shared.
>
> In the days when databases were being spread to the old COBOL and files
> gang, this divide was called the difference between "process centric"
and
> "data centric" views of the world. I think it's really the same divide,
> over and over again.
>
> It even happens within the RDBMS vendors. I've been watching SQL
gradually
> evolve from a bad answer to the requirement for a "universal data
> sublanguange" into a bad programming language, in its own right.
Received on Mon Jun 14 2004 - 15:01:14 CDT

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