Re: Anyone Actually using Dev/2000 Server / Web Enabled forms ?

thanks Chana for the insights.

when you said 'we have also discovered that generating Web modules through Designer and then trying to tweak the PL/SQL modules from there is a complex and nightmarish task -one which is far better off avoided' , did you generate
your Forms ? or do you mean you generated plsql packages/procedures that build dynamic html pages ?

your Designer apps ? , are they plsql packages , procudures ?

Did you deploy the Jinitiator when running your Forms through a browser ?

how many forms you you think you may deploy ?

yes , very interested in the paper you mentioned !

Thanks

Noel

> Our Designer apps however, are coming through the Web in far better shape
> than the 'pure' Developer Forms...fine - we aren't generating them through
> WebServer - but as Forms...but they are still performing more efficiently
> than the regular Developer apps.

Chana Campos <chana_at_campos.org> wrote in message news:FdP33.34138$pj7.269034_at_news2.giganews.com...
> So far - while the idea of "thin client" is very in vogue - we don't
really
> feel the technology is quite 'there' yet. In our shop, the pure Forms
> applications which went over the Web had major problems - strobing menus,
> inability to use combo boxes, restrictions on menus, graphics, etc. etc.
> etc. They also happen to be slower than death - even a floor away...but
the
> IT department here never wants to "touch" another client if they can help
> it...(I guess the fact that people are going to lunch waiting for their
apps
> to download really isn't a consideration. ) Also, there have been major
> problems with Forms which were developed on NT being ported over to
Solaris
> for deployment. Boilerplate text is a HUGE problem - it comes out grossly
> oversized and they have not been able to figure out how to correct the
> problem. Oracle admits this is an 'issue'.... Our users are also pretty
> outraged at the loss of some Windows functionality/GUI which they have
come
> to take for granted - but now have lost going through the Web....we have
> also discovered that generating Web modules through Designer and then
trying
> to tweak the PL/SQL modules from there is a complex and nightmarish task -
> one which is far better off avoided.
>
> Our Designer apps however, are coming through the Web in far better shape
> than the 'pure' Developer Forms...fine - we aren't generating them through
> WebServer - but as Forms...but they are still performing more efficiently
> than the regular Developer apps. Of course, we designed for web deployment
> from the get-go and will be able to make modifications if we decide to go
> client-server in a straight-forward manner... As an example, we have
> practically no boiler-plate text - so no surprises there...
>
> So - discover the limitations early on - and then design for them from the
> ground up if you're going to be using Developer alone - there is an
> excellent paper by Peter Koletzke or Paul Dorsey on Web-enabled Forms
> (mainly discussing what doesn't work yet...) - if you're interested let me
> know and I'll send the reference along...
>
> Chana Campos
>
>
>
>
Received on Sun May 30 1999 - 16:56:02 CEST