Re: Simpana
From: (wrong string) महेश కుమార్ G.M.K <maheshkumarg3_at_gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 11:14:55 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <b0fe1056-0420-4465-847b-887d61090641_at_googlegroups.com>
On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:13:46 PM UTC+5:30, joel garry wrote:
> On Jul 16, 5:35pm, Mladen Gogala <gogala.mla..._at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:40:55 -0700, joel garry wrote:
>
> > > I've crossed over to the cyber side. I don't use tape or backup
>
> > > managers any more.
>
> >
>
> > Really? How do you backup your database(s)? Tapes are still much cheaper
>
> > and than disks.
>
> >
>
> > --http://mgogala.byethost5.com
>
>
>
> Not cheaper if you figure in the labor costs, failure rates, and
>
> sysadmin costs for the scale of the oltp ops of a medium sized
>
> business.
>
>
>
> If you have multiple sans and other storage available over multiple
>
> sites anyways, it becomes an incremental capital cost. With non-db
>
> docs and email and such being automatically copied over lines sized
>
> for video, it's just some more data to add in the db backups. And
>
> you can call it a private cloud to impress the easily impressed.
>
>
>
> Surely cheaper than DG or strange block copy equivalents, although
>
> they serve a different purpose.
>
>
>
> As always with this kind of evaluation, YMMV. But I must say, I've
>
> seen tapes fuck up in every site I've been in the last 30 years (in
>
> '80s cases, stuff like adjusting drives making all old tapes
>
> unreadable), and I'm not sorry to see them go. Even if I had to do
>
> some manual copy to store offsite, I'd just go buy 10 Tb-scale usb
>
> disks to cycle through, ya know? Even NASA has to get stuff _off_ of
>
> tapes before they deteriorate.
>
>
>
> I have several generations of tapes and associated hardware in my
>
> basement, that I'll never even turn on. How silly is that? My last
>
> home PDP backup was around the end of 1987.
>
>
>
> jg
>
> --
>
> _at_home.com is bogus.
>
> http://searchoracle.techtarget.com/news/2240159703/Oracle-survey-says-poor-data-management-causes-13-revenue-loss
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 11:14:55 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <b0fe1056-0420-4465-847b-887d61090641_at_googlegroups.com>
On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:13:46 PM UTC+5:30, joel garry wrote:
> On Jul 16, 5:35pm, Mladen Gogala <gogala.mla..._at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:40:55 -0700, joel garry wrote:
>
> > > I've crossed over to the cyber side. I don't use tape or backup
>
> > > managers any more.
>
> >
>
> > Really? How do you backup your database(s)? Tapes are still much cheaper
>
> > and than disks.
>
> >
>
> > --http://mgogala.byethost5.com
>
>
>
> Not cheaper if you figure in the labor costs, failure rates, and
>
> sysadmin costs for the scale of the oltp ops of a medium sized
>
> business.
>
>
>
> If you have multiple sans and other storage available over multiple
>
> sites anyways, it becomes an incremental capital cost. With non-db
>
> docs and email and such being automatically copied over lines sized
>
> for video, it's just some more data to add in the db backups. And
>
> you can call it a private cloud to impress the easily impressed.
>
>
>
> Surely cheaper than DG or strange block copy equivalents, although
>
> they serve a different purpose.
>
>
>
> As always with this kind of evaluation, YMMV. But I must say, I've
>
> seen tapes fuck up in every site I've been in the last 30 years (in
>
> '80s cases, stuff like adjusting drives making all old tapes
>
> unreadable), and I'm not sorry to see them go. Even if I had to do
>
> some manual copy to store offsite, I'd just go buy 10 Tb-scale usb
>
> disks to cycle through, ya know? Even NASA has to get stuff _off_ of
>
> tapes before they deteriorate.
>
>
>
> I have several generations of tapes and associated hardware in my
>
> basement, that I'll never even turn on. How silly is that? My last
>
> home PDP backup was around the end of 1987.
>
>
>
> jg
>
> --
>
> _at_home.com is bogus.
>
> http://searchoracle.techtarget.com/news/2240159703/Oracle-survey-says-poor-data-management-causes-13-revenue-loss
the last backup in 1987? i was born at that time. great to see even backups were taken at that time where technology of computers was in the beginning phase. Received on Fri Aug 03 2012 - 13:14:55 CDT