Re: Sorry, but...

From: onedbguru <>
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:47:45 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <>

On Jan 6, 7:37 pm, John Hurley <> wrote:
> Mr. Guru:
> # This is pretty funny timing... \  On LinkedIN Oracle Senior DBA
> Group: looking for 4 Oracle DBA's. One Junior, the rest Sr. Anyone
> want to move to Kansas City for an opportunity of a lifetime? Cerner
> is a...
> So are you saying that your ( unverified ) prior employment ( directly
> or indirectly ) with Cerner contradicts or confirms "in general" the
> ( admittedly ) vague claims about costs savings posted in Nuno's
> original post in this thead?

I believe I said that it is entirely **possible** that the cost savings were directly related to licensed software cost savings in a shop of this size.

> Regardless if you are confirming or contradicting ( or staying neutral
> perhaps ) these claimed cost savings you are now pointing out that
> Cerner is either experiencing job churn in the DBA group or growing
> fairly rapidly?
> Personally it is hard for me to imagine that with the fairly
> reasonable living and housing expenses in KC that it would be tough to
> recruit for junior or senior level Oracle DBA positions ... if these
> were not fairly unstable or temporary/contract based spots that are
> now apparently open.
> Most of us senior DBA can sniff out things that just don't seem
> right ... an acquired survival skill.

As you recall, I said nothing about their cost savings being due to cuts in the DBA staff - in fact just the opposite. "And as for Jeroen's (TheBoss) calculations, I doubt they laid off anyone, they just made the staff that already existed do a LOT more by adding more "clients" to their already overloaded plate (+30%)."

And also stated:
"He stated a 30% load increase per DBA, **in this case**, it does NOT appear they would included staffing costs in this savings as he stated "capital costs". Personnel are not capital expenditures."

You can take this however you want, but, the fact is that in a shop of this size I will stand behind my statements that it is entirely possible to replace some tool with another tool (EM in this case) and save 9.5M. Since neither of you seem to have worked in a shop of this size (as noted by your skepticism) I could see your hesitation to take it at face value. I would not be that skeptical 1) knowing what I know about the company and 2) having worked in much larger shops that have indeed saved boatloads of capital replacing tools that did the job for which they were intended. Received on Fri Jan 06 2012 - 22:47:45 CST

Original text of this message