Re: Oracle does it again
From: The Boss <usenet_at_No.Spam.Please.invalid>
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 03:44:49 +0100
Message-ID: <4b89d8a2$0$29474$e4fe514c_at_dreader24.news.xs4all.nl>
Mladen Gogala wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:29:48 -0800, John Hurley wrote:
>
>> All my systems ( except one ... running 10.2.0.4 on solaris ) are
>> running now on 11.1.0.7.1 ( linux ) and stable.
>>
>> No RAC anywhere.
>
> If you discount RAC and use available components like Tomcat, JBoss,
> and EJB, there is very little that Oracle 11G can do and significantly
> cheaper 3rd party cannot do. The way I see things, RAC is the only
> thing that Oracle does have and the competition does not have.
> However, with partitioning, RAC, diagnostic & tuning pack, Oracle
> license costs as much as $50000/CPU and that is a heck of a steep
> price. In my opinion, if you want to load 40 tons of something and
> drive it for 100 miles, you need an 18-wheeler. If you need to your
> local store and buy a weekly supply of food & drink for your home,
> you can probably get away with a significantly smaller vehicle. The
> very same principle of the right tool for the right job applies here.
> Other databases are getting better and better and they can do more
> and more. One needs Oracle RDBMS only to do the heavy lifting,
> smaller stuff can be done by other databases. RAC is the only reason
> to go for Oracle RDBMS and not for something much, much cheaper like
> DB2, SQL*Server or Postgres. I am keeping an eye on Windows 7, if
> that proves to be a good and scalable OS and if Microsoft improves
> the OLTP capabilities of the SQL*Server, who knows, things may still
> go the Microsoft way. Postgres is also very potent open source DB,
> perfectly sufficient for the HR department of a medium size company.
> However, if one needs 24x7 client-facing robust OLTP database which
> has to have a near 99.99% uptime, and the ability to support hundreds
> of users, one still needs Oracle RAC.
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 03:44:49 +0100
Message-ID: <4b89d8a2$0$29474$e4fe514c_at_dreader24.news.xs4all.nl>
Mladen Gogala wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:29:48 -0800, John Hurley wrote:
>
>> All my systems ( except one ... running 10.2.0.4 on solaris ) are
>> running now on 11.1.0.7.1 ( linux ) and stable.
>>
>> No RAC anywhere.
>
> If you discount RAC and use available components like Tomcat, JBoss,
> and EJB, there is very little that Oracle 11G can do and significantly
> cheaper 3rd party cannot do. The way I see things, RAC is the only
> thing that Oracle does have and the competition does not have.
> However, with partitioning, RAC, diagnostic & tuning pack, Oracle
> license costs as much as $50000/CPU and that is a heck of a steep
> price. In my opinion, if you want to load 40 tons of something and
> drive it for 100 miles, you need an 18-wheeler. If you need to your
> local store and buy a weekly supply of food & drink for your home,
> you can probably get away with a significantly smaller vehicle. The
> very same principle of the right tool for the right job applies here.
> Other databases are getting better and better and they can do more
> and more. One needs Oracle RDBMS only to do the heavy lifting,
> smaller stuff can be done by other databases. RAC is the only reason
> to go for Oracle RDBMS and not for something much, much cheaper like
> DB2, SQL*Server or Postgres. I am keeping an eye on Windows 7, if
> that proves to be a good and scalable OS and if Microsoft improves
> the OLTP capabilities of the SQL*Server, who knows, things may still
> go the Microsoft way. Postgres is also very potent open source DB,
> perfectly sufficient for the HR department of a medium size company.
> However, if one needs 24x7 client-facing robust OLTP database which
> has to have a near 99.99% uptime, and the ability to support hundreds
> of users, one still needs Oracle RAC.
Well, DB2 for zOS has its Sysplex architecture. And DB2 for LUW has DPF and since october 2009: DB2 pureScale. In case you're really interested, here's some pointers:
http://www-01.ibm.com/software/data/db2/linux-unix-windows/editions-features-purescale.html http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ibm-purescale-technology-redefines-transaction-processing-economics-63845227.html http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/database-geek/db2-purescale-zos-envy-finally-over-34681 http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/db2luw/ibm-announces-db2-purescale-for-activeactive-scaleout-34920 http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/db2luw/db2-purescale-scalability-part-1-35173 http://www.devwebsphere.com/devwebsphere/2009/12/ibm-db2-purescale-is-very-cool-ibm-websphere-extreme-scale-makes-it-better.html
-- JeroenReceived on Sat Feb 27 2010 - 20:44:49 CST