Re: Death of the DBA
From: Tony Sequeira <nobody_at_127.0.0.1>
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:38:33 +0100
Message-ID: <4a9010f9$0$2486$db0fefd9_at_news.zen.co.uk>
Mark D Powell wrote:
>> On Aug 20, 10:28 am, Mladen Gogala <mla..._at_bogus.email.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:07:57 -0700, Helma wrote:
>>>> Perhaps you don't see any threat to the Oracle DBA.
>>> I don't.
>>>> Others who disagree might talk about the steady march of the MSsql
>>>> database,
>>> They also might check into Betty Ford clinic for a detox. MS SQL is
>>> is linked to a single platform and it remains tied to that platform.
>>> Windows is on desks, not in the server rooms. Databases are usually in
>>> the server rooms, except if we are talking about databases servicing
>>> fantasy football.
>> But, the platform is virtual. At least that's what they tell me those
>> guys are doing.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> the increasing database work going to India,
>>> The problem with the databases is that they usually contain vital company
>>> data. Most of the serious companies would think twice before moving the
>>> critical data overseas. I know of no bank or health insurance company that
>>> would allow its crucial business database(s) to be dislocated. What goes
>>> to India is development, not DBA work.
>> What about this cloud thingy?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> the selfmanaging databases etc.
>>>> I
>>> Self-managing databases? Like those who obey Asimov's 3 laws? Here is how
>>> the 3 laws would look for databases:
>>> A database may not injure a human being, or through inaction, allow a
>>> human being to come to harm unless the being starts asking silly
>>> questions about the purpose and the fate of the DBA. The database should
>>> occassionally annoy human beings, just to remind them of its importance.
>>> A database must obey the orders given to it by the DBA. In case of doubt,
>>> re-read the previous sentence.
>>> A database must protect its own existence as long as such protection does
>>> not conflict with the First or the Second Law.
>>> What are "self-managing databases"? Do they exist in the "paperless
>>> office"? Dave, you're killing me.
>> Self-managing databases were explicated in set theory long ago:
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> [Curly is taking the oath]
>> Court Clerk: Take off your hat.
>> [Curly takes off his hat with his right hand]
>> Court Clerk: Raise your right hand.
>> [With his right hand, Curly puts his hat back on, and raises the
>> hand]
>> Court Clerk: [gesturing to the book he is holding] Put your left hand
>> here.
>> Judge: [to Curly] Take off you hat.
>> [Curly does so with his right hand]
>> Court Clerk: [to Curly] Raise your right hand.
>> [Curly puts his hat back on to raise the hand]
>> Court Clerk: [gesturing to the book he is holding] Now, put your left
>> hand here.
>> Judge: [to Curly] Please, take off your hat.
>> [Curly does so with his right hand]
>> Court Clerk: [to Curly] Raise your right hand.
>> [Curly repeats the process]
>> Court Clerk: [gesturing to the book he is holding] Now, put your left
>> hand here.
>> Judge: [to Curly] Will you please take off your hat?
>> [Curly does so with his right hand]
>> Court Clerk: [angrily, to Curly] Raise your RIGHT HAND.
>> [Curly repeats the process]
>> Court Clerk: [gesturing to the book he is holding] Now, put your left
>> hand here.
>> Judge: [to Curly] Take off your hat.
>> [Curly takes off the hat and places it on his cane, which is in his
>> right hand]
>> Court Clerk: [to Curly] Raise your right hand.
>> [Curly raises his cane with the hat on it]
>> Court Clerk: [taking the hat off the cane] Get rid of that hat.
>> [Curly takes the hat and puts it on the court clerk's head]
>> Curly: [with both hands on the book] Raise YOUR right hand.
>> [the court clerk does so, startles, takes the hat off, and places it
>> under the book]
>> Court Clerk: Raise your right hand.
>> [Curly does so]
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>> --http://mgogala.freehos.com
>> Of course, with 3 laws, you need to come up with a zeroth law:
>>
>> A database must not give Larry less money, or through inaction, allow
>> money to be taken away from Larry.
>>
>> jg
>> --
>> _at_home.com is bogus.http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/aug/21/mak-1-enterprises-...- Hide quoted text -
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:38:33 +0100
Message-ID: <4a9010f9$0$2486$db0fefd9_at_news.zen.co.uk>
Mark D Powell wrote:
> On Aug 21, 8:19 pm, joel garry <joel-ga..._at_home.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 20, 10:28 am, Mladen Gogala <mla..._at_bogus.email.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:07:57 -0700, Helma wrote:
>>>> Perhaps you don't see any threat to the Oracle DBA.
>>> I don't.
>>>> Others who disagree might talk about the steady march of the MSsql
>>>> database,
>>> They also might check into Betty Ford clinic for a detox. MS SQL is
>>> is linked to a single platform and it remains tied to that platform.
>>> Windows is on desks, not in the server rooms. Databases are usually in
>>> the server rooms, except if we are talking about databases servicing
>>> fantasy football.
>> But, the platform is virtual. At least that's what they tell me those
>> guys are doing.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> the increasing database work going to India,
>>> The problem with the databases is that they usually contain vital company
>>> data. Most of the serious companies would think twice before moving the
>>> critical data overseas. I know of no bank or health insurance company that
>>> would allow its crucial business database(s) to be dislocated. What goes
>>> to India is development, not DBA work.
>> What about this cloud thingy?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> the selfmanaging databases etc.
>>>> I
>>> Self-managing databases? Like those who obey Asimov's 3 laws? Here is how
>>> the 3 laws would look for databases:
>>> A database may not injure a human being, or through inaction, allow a
>>> human being to come to harm unless the being starts asking silly
>>> questions about the purpose and the fate of the DBA. The database should
>>> occassionally annoy human beings, just to remind them of its importance.
>>> A database must obey the orders given to it by the DBA. In case of doubt,
>>> re-read the previous sentence.
>>> A database must protect its own existence as long as such protection does
>>> not conflict with the First or the Second Law.
>>> What are "self-managing databases"? Do they exist in the "paperless
>>> office"? Dave, you're killing me.
>> Self-managing databases were explicated in set theory long ago:
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> [Curly is taking the oath]
>> Court Clerk: Take off your hat.
>> [Curly takes off his hat with his right hand]
>> Court Clerk: Raise your right hand.
>> [With his right hand, Curly puts his hat back on, and raises the
>> hand]
>> Court Clerk: [gesturing to the book he is holding] Put your left hand
>> here.
>> Judge: [to Curly] Take off you hat.
>> [Curly does so with his right hand]
>> Court Clerk: [to Curly] Raise your right hand.
>> [Curly puts his hat back on to raise the hand]
>> Court Clerk: [gesturing to the book he is holding] Now, put your left
>> hand here.
>> Judge: [to Curly] Please, take off your hat.
>> [Curly does so with his right hand]
>> Court Clerk: [to Curly] Raise your right hand.
>> [Curly repeats the process]
>> Court Clerk: [gesturing to the book he is holding] Now, put your left
>> hand here.
>> Judge: [to Curly] Will you please take off your hat?
>> [Curly does so with his right hand]
>> Court Clerk: [angrily, to Curly] Raise your RIGHT HAND.
>> [Curly repeats the process]
>> Court Clerk: [gesturing to the book he is holding] Now, put your left
>> hand here.
>> Judge: [to Curly] Take off your hat.
>> [Curly takes off the hat and places it on his cane, which is in his
>> right hand]
>> Court Clerk: [to Curly] Raise your right hand.
>> [Curly raises his cane with the hat on it]
>> Court Clerk: [taking the hat off the cane] Get rid of that hat.
>> [Curly takes the hat and puts it on the court clerk's head]
>> Curly: [with both hands on the book] Raise YOUR right hand.
>> [the court clerk does so, startles, takes the hat off, and places it
>> under the book]
>> Court Clerk: Raise your right hand.
>> [Curly does so]
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>> --http://mgogala.freehos.com
>> Of course, with 3 laws, you need to come up with a zeroth law:
>>
>> A database must not give Larry less money, or through inaction, allow
>> money to be taken away from Larry.
>>
>> jg
>> --
>> _at_home.com is bogus.http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/aug/21/mak-1-enterprises-...- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> > LOL - In myopinion Larry has more than enough money. He should > remember what happens when you get too greedy > > IMHO -- Mark D Powell --.
Ever since I got into this business 35 years ago, they have been predicting the death of the function I perform, then it was a programmer, I'm still programming *and* DB administrating now.
-- S. Anthony Sequeira ++ The grass is always greener on the other side of your sunglasses. ++Received on Sat Aug 22 2009 - 10:38:33 CDT