Re: Combining snapclones with DataGuard

On Oct 21, 10:58 am, sybrandb <sybra..._at_gmail.com> wrote:
> On 21 okt, 16:30, jj3run..._at_gmail.com wrote:
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> > On Oct 21, 9:05 am, sybrandb <sybra..._at_gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On 21 okt, 14:02, jj3run..._at_gmail.com wrote:
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> > > > On Oct 20, 10:05 pm, DA Morgan <damor..._at_psoug.org> wrote:
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> > > > > macdba321 wrote:
> > > > > > I read quotes from Ari Kaplan explaining how enterprises if possible
> > > > > > should (if possible and appropriate) combine the use of snapclones
> > > > > > (for SAN-to-SAN replication) with DataGuard.
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> > > > > > I am confused how an organization could use both of these though. If I
> > > > > > am using snapclones, how can I also use DataGuard? What use would DG
> > > > > > provide? (Assuming that I am already snapclone'ing the database to the
> > > > > > secondary site.)
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> > > > > > Can anyone shed some light for me?
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> > > > > > Thanks.
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> > > > > What also is missing, in addition to the items Sybrand listed, is the
> > > > > context.
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> > > > > For a DR site I wouldn't touch snap clones as doing so one loses some
> > > > > of the most critical components of Data Guard Oracle brings to the
> > > > > table.
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> > > > > Snapclones have their place but it isn't in DR. A DR site must be not
> > > > > just a 100% clean duplicate of production it must also be logically
> > > > > consistent. Something Snapcloning can not guarantee as snapping will
> > > > > efficiently replicate corrupt blocks.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Daniel A. Morgan
> > > > > Oracle Ace Director & Instructor
> > > > > University of Washington
> > > > > damor..._at_x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
> > > > > Puget Sound Oracle Users Groupwww.psoug.org
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> > > > Group,
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> > > > As a long, long, long, time lurker, this is a horribly impolite
> > > > thread. I wish the posters here would ease up and try to share
> > > > knowledge instead of trying to be as mean as possible. Perhaps some of
> > > > us are new to the Oracle world, and others have been around for a few
> > > > years or decades, it should not matter. Try to help each other and
> > > > leave your egos at the door.
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> > > > When I read the original posters question, I interpreted it as a
> > > > generic discussion. He/She (yes, there are actually females on here!)
> > > > did not provide versions or platforms. Nor did Ari Kaplan! It's a
> > > > generic discussion, how is DataGuard used in conjunction with
> > > > Snapcloning (in an effective manner)?
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> > > > Yes, we all know that using old versions of the database, old
> > > > networking capabilities, old OS's, old keyboards, old mice, old .....
> > > > (you get the idea) will cause problems. Just assume we're talking
> > > > generic.
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> > > > To the originial poster: at least you apologized and attempted to
> > > > explain yourself (albeit, somewhat sarcastically).
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> > > > To those with the egos: Try to not be so rude, you may be new to the
> > > > Oracle or professional arena ... I have a feeling you'll go further if
> > > > you relax and try to help. But most importantly, feel free to not
> > > > respond if you have nothing constructive to add. Silence definitely
> > > > can be golden!
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> > > > $Jen- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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> > > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
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> > > Actually no one was rude, except the OP.
> > > There is no such thing as 'generic answer' without including a
> > > version.
> > > Also no one here keeps track of the versions people are using.
> > > People posting here more and more misuse this forum as a source of
> > > free support where they don't have to go through the chores of
> > > Metaclunck or the new bloatware variant 'My Oracle Support'
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> > > Hopefully you will follow your own recommendation, and we won't see
> > > similar tripe of you again.
> > > I recommend you look up the word 'volunteer' in a dictionary, and
> > > notice how few people answer almost all of the questions: less than
> > > 10!
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> > > --
> > > Sybrand Bakker
> > > Senior Oracle DBA
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> > My goodness, such hostility in your posts. This board would benefit
> > from you eliminating your own "tripe" as you call it. (or from you
> > leaving the board entirely.) I've read time and time again posts from
> > you filled with hostility and snotty comments. You bring nothing but
> > bad energy to this board and the Oracle community.
> > Feel free to either stop responding to every post with your snotty
> > attitude ... OR better yet, leave the board entirely!
>
> And you will take over and answer all RTFM questions? Because 99.9
> percent of all questions here ARE of the RTFM type.
> That would be good joke!
> Also I'm not aware you have been elected to be the moderator of this
> forum, so I will do as I see fit, and ignore your 'Holier than thou'
> comments.
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> > The OP posted a very kind question seeking clarification (in the most
> > recent post.) And yes, there are GENERIC questions/answers in Oracle!
> > Example: Can export/import be used to move a table from 1 database to
> > another? You can just answer YES .... there are ALWAYS circumstances
> > where it won't work (character sets, platforms, etc.) ... but the
> > answer is YES. Just leave it at that. Don't be such a rude responder.
> > If all you can do is be rude, DON'T ANSWER!!!!! Is that too difficult
> > for you?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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> Apparently you don't know what you are talking about. The majority of
> posters here is not prepared to do ANY research prior to posting.
> They don't read the documentation, they don't search Google, they
> don't search OTN, they don't search Usenet, they don't search Asktom.
> Have you never noticed how Tom Kyte treats those people? There is
> really not much difference between me and him.
> If you want to take over and to start spoonfeeding all those people
> too lazy to do any research on their own, by all means do.
> I have been answering question here for 12 years, and I have seen the
> level of the post see go down... and down... and down....
> Don't chastize me for being grumpy, I'm more than entitled to it. All
> of my career I had to deal fulltime with incompetent people and
> abysmal databases.
>
> --
> Sybrand Bakker
> Senior Oracle DBA
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> > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

It must be exhausting being so rude continuously! "Apparently you don't know what you are talking about." -Sybrand

Feel free to leave or remain silent at any time. Received on Tue Oct 21 2008 - 10:07:06 CDT