Re: Combining snapclones with DataGuard

On 21 okt, 16:30, jj3run..._at_gmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 21, 9:05 am, sybrandb <sybra..._at_gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On 21 okt, 14:02, jj3run..._at_gmail.com wrote:
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> > > On Oct 20, 10:05 pm, DA Morgan <damor..._at_psoug.org> wrote:
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> > > > macdba321 wrote:
> > > > > I read quotes from Ari Kaplan explaining how enterprises if possible
> > > > > should (if possible and appropriate) combine the use of snapclones
> > > > > (for SAN-to-SAN replication) with DataGuard.
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> > > > > I am confused how an organization could use both of these though. If I
> > > > > am using snapclones, how can I also use DataGuard? What use would DG
> > > > > provide? (Assuming that I am already snapclone'ing the database to the
> > > > > secondary site.)
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> > > > > Can anyone shed some light for me?
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> > > > > Thanks.
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> > > > What also is missing, in addition to the items Sybrand listed, is the
> > > > context.
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> > > > For a DR site I wouldn't touch snap clones as doing so one loses some
> > > > of the most critical components of Data Guard Oracle brings to the
> > > > table.
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> > > > Snapclones have their place but it isn't in DR. A DR site must be not
> > > > just a 100% clean duplicate of production it must also be logically
> > > > consistent. Something Snapcloning can not guarantee as snapping will
> > > > efficiently replicate corrupt blocks.
> > > > --
> > > > Daniel A. Morgan
> > > > Oracle Ace Director & Instructor
> > > > University of Washington
> > > > damor..._at_x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
> > > > Puget Sound Oracle Users Groupwww.psoug.org
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> > > Group,
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> > > As a long, long, long, time lurker, this is a horribly impolite
> > > thread. I wish the posters here would ease up and try to share
> > > knowledge instead of trying to be as mean as possible. Perhaps some of
> > > us are new to the Oracle world, and others have been around for a few
> > > years or decades, it should not matter. Try to help each other and
> > > leave your egos at the door.
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> > > When I read the original posters question, I interpreted it as a
> > > generic discussion. He/She (yes, there are actually females on here!)
> > > did not provide versions or platforms. Nor did Ari Kaplan! It's a
> > > generic discussion, how is DataGuard used in conjunction with
> > > Snapcloning (in an effective manner)?
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> > > Yes, we all know that using old versions of the database, old
> > > networking capabilities, old OS's, old keyboards, old mice, old .....
> > > (you get the idea) will cause problems. Just assume we're talking
> > > generic.
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> > > To the originial poster: at least you apologized and attempted to
> > > explain yourself (albeit, somewhat sarcastically).
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> > > To those with the egos: Try to not be so rude, you may be new to the
> > > Oracle or professional arena ... I have a feeling you'll go further if
> > > you relax and try to help. But most importantly, feel free to not
> > > respond if you have nothing constructive to add. Silence definitely
> > > can be golden!
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> > Actually no one was rude, except the OP.
> > There is no such thing as 'generic answer' without including a
> > version.
> > Also no one here keeps track of the versions people are using.
> > People posting here more and more misuse this forum as a source of
> > free support where they don't have to go through the chores of
> > Metaclunck or the new bloatware variant 'My Oracle Support'
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> > Hopefully you will follow your own recommendation, and we won't see
> > similar tripe of you again.
> > I recommend you look up the word 'volunteer' in a dictionary, and
> > notice how few people answer almost all of the questions: less than
> > 10!
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> > --
> > Sybrand Bakker
> > Senior Oracle DBA
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> My goodness, such hostility in your posts. This board would benefit
> from you eliminating your own "tripe" as you call it. (or from you
> leaving the board entirely.) I've read time and time again posts from
> you filled with hostility and snotty comments. You bring nothing but
> bad energy to this board and the Oracle community.
> Feel free to either stop responding to every post with your snotty
> attitude ... OR better yet, leave the board entirely!

And you will take over and answer all RTFM questions? Because 99.9 percent of all questions here ARE of the RTFM type. That would be good joke!
Also I'm not aware you have been elected to be the moderator of this forum, so I will do as I see fit, and ignore your 'Holier than thou' comments.

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> The OP posted a very kind question seeking clarification (in the most
> recent post.) And yes, there are GENERIC questions/answers in Oracle!
> Example: Can export/import be used to move a table from 1 database to
> another? You can just answer YES .... there are ALWAYS circumstances
> where it won't work (character sets, platforms, etc.) ... but the
> answer is YES. Just leave it at that. Don't be such a rude responder.
> If all you can do is be rude, DON'T ANSWER!!!!! Is that too difficult
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Apparently you don't know what you are talking about. The majority of posters here is not prepared to do ANY research prior to posting. They don't read the documentation, they don't search Google, they don't search OTN, they don't search Usenet, they don't search Asktom. Have you never noticed how Tom Kyte treats those people? There is really not much difference between me and him. If you want to take over and to start spoonfeeding all those people too lazy to do any research on their own, by all means do. I have been answering question here for 12 years, and I have seen the level of the post see go down... and down... and down.... Don't chastize me for being grumpy, I'm more than entitled to it. All of my career I had to deal fulltime with incompetent people and abysmal databases.

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Sybrand Bakker
Senior Oracle DBA



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