Re: Installing MS-SQL and Oracle into a same server

On Dec 11, 8:42 am, DA Morgan <damor..._at_psoug.org> wrote:
> NetComrade wrote:
> > On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:19:30 -0800, DA Morgan <damor..._at_psoug.org>
> > wrote:
>
> >>> Most organizations put Oracle on Windows not because they want to, but
> >>> because they don't have a unix admin on staff, and while $3K is tiny
> >>> to them, having at least 1 or 2 engineers knowing what to do with a
> >>> shell prompt goes up to 100-200K, and many don't like to outsource,
> >>> b/c they've been burned by it.
>
> >> A Windows admin that can't pick up Linux in a week is no Windows
> >> admin. They are an end user that stumbled into their job because
> >> the hiring manager didn't know enough about the subject to ask
> >> them any good questions.
>
> > That would be equivalent to saying.."A SQL Server DBA that can't pick
> > up Oracle in a week is no SQL Server DBA"..
>
> One day to learn the directory structure and vi
> One day to learn grep, find, and a few other basic tools
> One day to master chmod, chown, more, cat, groupadd, useradd, id, etc.
> One day to learn to write a cron job
> 0.5 day to learn TAR, CPIO, jar, etc.
> 30 minutes to learn basic navigation and commands (cd, mkdir, rm, ls)

I would take issue with several of those timings. It takes much more repetition to become comfortable with find and grep, that's for damn sure. And I still see Windows admins want to chmod -R 777 /* so they don't have to worry about having to understand permissions.

>
> I'm not saying they would be a stand-alone SA but basic Linux
> installation and management? Far easier than learning Oracle.

So you are saying that propped-up linux admins are a good thing? Yikes!

Learning a couple of tasks is easy - just like any OCP training. Learning administration is another kettle of fish. Becoming a decent unix or linux admin is no easy task, some people never get it. And I think many people these days never understand the "unix way" of decomposing solutions to create small efficient reusable programs.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=unix+admin+horror+stories

> In Oracle you couldn't learn the full syntax for CREATE TABLE
> in a week. In fact I would be willing to bet no one on this board
> knows anyone that knows the full syntax for CREATE TABLE without
> looking it up online.

I bet there are some students in Mumbai...

jg

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