Re: continuation...

>> >>>> Not to mention mission-critical systems that require near 100%
>> >>>> uptime.
>> >>> No one is more sensitive to that than Amazon.com.
>>
>> >>> Want to guess what they're running on their production systems?
>>
>> >>> How about the line of business applications at every mobile phone
>> >>> company in the region: AT&T, T-Mobile, AllTel, Verizon, ClearWire?
>>
>> >>> How about the line of business applications at banks like Washington
>> >>> Mutual; one of the largest in the US?
>>
>> >> And what percentage of 10g are these companies running? I hope you
>> >> have
>> >> done a survey internally. I have worked for some large companies. Even
>> >> the DBAs don't know where all the databases are.
>>
>> >>> Why is it some people here are getting their knickers in a twist and
>> >>> yet these large organizations, with serious 7x24x365 requirements,
>> >>> are
>> >>> not dropping like flies?
>>
>> >>> And no it is not that they are lucky. They aren't buying it, and they
>> >>> are not upgrading to 10gR2 because they are being bullied by some guy
>> >>> with a $200 haircut. Nor would their CTO's risk their careers if the
>> >>> systems were failing.
>>
>> >> If there are business needs, nothing can really stop a company from
>> >> upgrading. Technologies are there to support businesses. Some may
>> >> think
>> >> the other way around. Not just CTOs, many people would be risking
>> >> theirs
>> >> jobs, if they don't carefully consider the business impacts.
>>
>> > I often, due to what I do, find myself talking with IT management at a
>> > sufficiently high level to know what they are doing. The driving need
>> > is compliance and CTOs and CFOs are very aware of what can put them
>> > into
>> > legal jeopardy.
>>
>> What are they saying? They upgrade because they are afraid of legal
>> issues?
>>
>> From my experience, high level IT managers have the least idea what
>> versions
>> of Oracle they are running.
>
>>From my experience, they may have no idea of the details, but
> generally want to know anything that is relevant to running the
> business. The better ones have the details to hand when they need
> them.
>

Details like the legal issues and finance? Maybe. Details like what versions of Oracle? Maybe not.

>>
>> >> We do not upgrade just to be on the lastest. There has to be
>> >> sufficient
>> >> business reasons.
>>
>> > There is: Sarbanes-Oxley, PIPEDA, BASEL-II. That is what is driving it
>> > here. I can't imagine which part of violating laws with serious
>> > consequences you wouldn't consider "sufficient business reason."
>>
>> > Let me give you just one small example. Sitting on my desk is an
>> > article
>> > from eWeek titled "Intel in hot water over lost e-mails." Try this link
>> > to see the implications.
>>
>> >http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=17&artnum=2...
>>
>> > Read the following paragraph from the link very carefully:
>>
>> > "One example is a suit against Morgan Stanley (MS) by billionaire
>> > Ronald
>> > Perelman in 2003 in Florida, claiming the bank defrauded him during a
>> > stock swap. The case turned in part on Morgan Stanley's inability to
>> > find
>> > e-mails that Perelman's attorney had requested.
>>
>> > In May 2005, a jury handed down a $1.45 billion verdict against Morgan
>> > Stanley."
>>
>> > 1,450,000,000 sufficient business reason!
>>
>> > If you don't keep your IT management in the dark about the dark-ages
>> > practices of your current software's capabilities you may find them
>> > very interested in moving to 10g, 11g, audit vault, and other
>> > contemporary technologies. Likely the only reason they aren't leading
>> > the charge is that no one has sat down with them and given them a
>> > realistic appraisal of risk vs reward.
>> > --
>>
>> If you give them this as the reason to upgrade, they may award you as the
>> funniest employee of the year. If the reason is that compelling, Oracle
>> salespeople would have been using it everywhere
>
> Oracle salespeople shouldn't be given enough information for a
> realistic appraisal. They're salespeople. Dan's right.
>

This is not a realistic appraisal. This is sales like insurance advertisements. Received on Fri Jul 20 2007 - 00:42:34 CDT