Re: Outsourcing developer to India and China - As an Oracle developer I am miffed

John Rutherford wrote:

>I speak French and German
>I work for the subsiduary of a German company in England
>So when my job is sold off to India or China by some soft headed IT
>MAnager I will be off to
>Germany or France and wont have that problem.
>Still I have no problem with India or China competing for Jobs in the IT
>sector - But once again outsourcing is not about competition - Its about
>being used - 3rd world exploitation. workers will be getting a third of the
>salary and few benefits - Pensions??? er from where??
>I heard the other day there was a large demand for specialists in
>psychiatry - Apparently many workers in call centers are burning out due to
>the working conditions.
>Havnt we been hear before ???????????
>Cheap jeans from 3rd world countries by major western brands
>The whole Nestle thing
>
>You make out I am protectionist and some sort of wooly westerner?
>Well colonialism through the back door my friend - Outsorcing will screw 3rd
>world countries it also screws wooly westerners like me -
>
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>"Howard J. Rogers" <howardjr2000_at_yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>news:3f7f2d5b$0$30274$afc38c87_at_news.optusnet.com.au...
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>>John Rutherford wrote:
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>>>Apologies if this is a bit off topic - But I have just come back off an
>>>oracle course - 2 people of which are being made redundent due to
>>>outsourcing.
>>>
>>>Are we having our life opportunities terminated and rolled out at a
>>>cheaper cost in these countries. I thought Globalisation was supposed to
>>>bring competition - Instead our IT manager are giving away our
>>>
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>livlyhoods
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>>>for nothing. So what if cheaper - Is it ethical????? Is it fair on your
>>>children or the society your ancestors dreamed of building. If these
>>>people want oracle jobs than they should get of their butts and come to
>>>1st world countries. We should not give it to them on a plate just to
>>>
>>>
>save
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>>>a few scents -
>>>
>>>
>>Well, let's face it. If you can't tell the difference between hard cash
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>and
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>>body odour, you don't stand a chance in the job market of Timbuktu, let
>>alone in 'the first world'.
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>>>Cause lets face it - once these economies try to get off
>>>their knees we will bomb them back into the stone age - But for you my
>>>oracle friends -that will be too late!! 2 things we can do Boycott
>>>organisations who outsource Be ethical as a customer and use vendors who
>>>do not outsource ie Pick who you bank with and by food from carefully-
>>>
>>>
>you
>
>
>>>get the idea
>>>
>>>
>>Lack of punctuation doesn't rate very well, either.
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>>Have you possibly considered that the reason these people get made
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>redundant
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>>is that they're just not very good at what they do? The quality of their
>>spelling and punctuation is poor? The esteem in which they hold their
>>customers is low? That they'd rather take time off because of a mild
>>headache than do some honest work?
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>>It's called complacency, and it's very much a 1st world disease. Instead
>>
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>of
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>>bleating about it, and proposing boycotts of dubious morality or
>>practicality, why not just get off your bottom and learn a foreign
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>language
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>>or two, improve your Oracle skills, master new technology, and generally
>>make yourself indispensible. The only way to compete, is to compete.
>>
>>HJR
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Try to explain to the guy that just got hired at $20 per hour to do your job. And can now put food on the table
and send his kids to college how screwed he is. No doubt he'll fall all over himself agreeing with you.

Of course it is true these people are being exploited from our standpoing at more than $100/hr. But not from his.

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