Re: ORACLE RAC CRASHES ORBITZ

Daniel,

Your points are well-taken. I agree that all of DB2, Informix, and Oracle are good databases. And I agree that we should try to keep to technology discussions here. But the problem is this. Based on what I have seen and heard from listening to others in this newsgroup and in other forums, there is no other relational db sw company out there that appears to have the "image", "perception" ... call it whatever you like ... that Oracle does. It is (unfortunately) one of cockiness. Many claims are made that are clearly marketing hype claims. Some are true. Some are exaggerated. True that this is symptomatic of the entire industry, but the perception that peopl seem to have is that Oracle seems to promote more. People know this and recognize it. When something like this happens, you see reactions no matter who the vendor is. But when it happens to Oracle, people react moreso. Think of how many movies you have seen where there is the theme of a known "bully" who kept menacing others. When something managed to "happen" to that bully, people reacted a bit differently than they would have if it were just a "normal" person. See the analogy?

Larry

Daniel Morgan wrote:

> Mark A wrote:
>
> > > > Tom Longfellow wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > GOD!! sometimes I just HATE the internet. It is too easy to be
> > > > > misinterpreted. My suggestions were tongue in cheek. I TOTALLY get
> > > > > marketing. I was just commenting on how marketing departments can
> > > > > embarrass their companies.
> > > > >
> > > > > <snipped>
> > > >
> > > > This is why emoticons were invented. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Sorry if I didn't see your tongue planted firmly in your cheek.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately PT Barnum was correct. And we will be dealing with the
> > effluent
> > > > of marketing departments right up until customers use their own brains
> > and stop
> > > > buying the drivel they produce. And that will not be in our lifetimes.
> > >
> > > Just a rumor mind you, but the Orbitz glitch has been traced to some
> > > hardware issues...will post more if I hear more.
> > >
> > > Mike
> >
> > Yes, it will turn out to be a hardware problem even if Larry Ellison has to
> > buy the hardware company and then have the hardware company accept the
> > blame.
>
> What a blivet.
>
> In an environment as complex as Orbitz's a crash could be caused by many things.
> Hardware, operating systems, networks, routers, hubs, databases, tools, etc.
> etc. etc. right down to a poorly run code review on some internally generated
> program or a DBA or SysAdmin that made an innocent mistake.
>
> But you are so knee-jerk negative toward Larry, who I doubt has ever taken a
> single dollar from your pocket, you jump to a conclusion the size of Mt.
> Everest. Give it a break.
>
> As Freud once said ... "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
>
> Do the universe a favor. Wait for the facts to come out: They will. Then comment
> on the facts. If they demonstrate Oracle was responsible so what. Has DB2 never
> been responsible for a crash? Informix? Sybase? A 'C' compiler?
> --
> Daniel Morgan
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Received on Mon Jul 28 2003 - 18:16:52 CDT