Re: Interesting info about Oracle

Tim X wrote:

> >>>>> "Keith" == Keith <nospam_at_nospam.com> writes:
>
> Keith> I don't mean this as a flame but.. I am really worried about
> <hyperbole snipped>
>
>
> Well Kieth, for someone who isn't trying to flame, your certainly
> using some flame baiting language!
>
> As to your original post - I read the article and as someone else
> pointed out, it is a sad reflection of the competence of many of the
> managers and decision makers in government departments. Any
> manager/decision maker worth their salt should be able to isolate the
> sales hype and pressure tactics of vendors from the real
> requirements/expectations of their company/department. This is not
> unique to Oracle or even IT. Any salesman is going to try and sell you
> as much as possible - selling the product and obtaining the best
> revenue possible is what they are trying to do - its what will ensure
> their employment and possibly promotion - its their job.
>
> Complaining that Oracle sold you too many licences is rediculous. I
> can't believe anyone would enter into sales negotiations without
> knowing what their needs/requirements were and rely on the sales
> person to identify what they need. Think about it. Would you go into a
> car yard and say "I want a car" and when the salesman asks you what
> sort of car you reply "I don't know - what do you think I should get?"
> You certainly would have nobody to blame but yourself when you arrive
> home in your $500,000 sports car and realise that you can't fit the
> kiddies seat in the back and that there was not enough room for the
> shopping. To later realise you could have got what you needed with a
> second hand sedan and then blame the salesperson for ripping you off
> is a clear indication you are an idiot who has an inability to take
> responsibility for your decisions.
>
> With respect to your original troll baiting question on whether Oracle
> is for you or not - well obviously we can't answer that. You have
> provided absolutely no information on what your requirements are, what
> your budget is or anything else.
>
> Just own up and admit you don't actually have any requirements and its
> just a bullshit question posed as an excuse to post an out of date
> article which highlights how incompetant many managers and decision
> makers really are.
>
> If you really must have an answer - Yes Oracle is definatly for you -
> make sure you tell the sales person you need a minimum of 1100 million
> site licences for a clustered and distributed database application
> utilizing the state of the art Oracle technology on servers with the
> maximum number of processors available and that the budget is no
> problem. At least then there will be one person on the planet who will
> tell you your an astute genius who is destined for great things.
>
> Tim
> --
> Tim Cross
> The e-mail address on this message is FALSE (obviously!). My real e-mail is
> to a company in Australia called rapttech and my login is tcross - if you
> really need to send mail, you should be able to work it out!

Well said. But your analogy might be closer if you went to the car dealer and said to the dealer ...

"How many cars should I by."

<RANT>
For the State of California, or any entity, to not produce an RFP and solicit bids demonstrates
a level of incompetence of incredible proportion. The government deserves what it got. And
the people deserve the government they elected. </RANT>

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