Re: DB2 entering Wall Street. Will Oracle be left behind??

On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 02:08:04 +1100, Nuno Souto <nsouto_at_optushome.com.au.nospam> wrote:

>Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:29:18 GMT, Ed Stevens said (and I quote):
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>> Just like Serge said, we'll have to agree to disagree. I *am* an IGS insider.
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>I know.
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>> day I was a long-time employee of 'x', the next day I was sitting at the same
>> desk doing the same job as an employee of IBM GS.
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>You're lucky. I know many who the next day found themselves without a
>job, but that's another story.
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>> Outside of the mainframes
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>Funny how there is always the word "mainframe" in anything IBM does...

Perhaps, but we were running the business here on IBM mainframes for nearly 20 years before the outsource deal. So the fact that we have the machines is totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand, that subject being "the implications of outsourcing to IBM."
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>> there's hardly a blue server or piece of software to be found. When the client
>> company (my former employer) buys servers, software or additional services (new
>> project development) we have to bid on it just like any other vendor, and we
>> don't always win.
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>and the point is?

That signing an outsource deal with IGS doesn't turn a shop blue, and doesn't even particularly increase the pressure to do so. In the new project planning meetings I've been in on (and it seems that's about all I've done this week) it wasn't even an issue. The client still makes that specification based on his own business processes, fiscal considerations, and personal prejudice of those making the decisions -- just like in all businesses at all times. And back to the original post -- that it doesn't portend the end of life as we in the Oracle world know it.
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>--
>Cheers
>Nuno Souto
>nsouto_at_optusnet.com.au.nospam

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Ed Stevens
(Opinions expressed do not necessarily represent those of my employer.)