Re: http://www.hjrdba.com/

We Love you Howard.. We do love you.. We do love this newsgroup much..We do wish you are only a website away...

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"Howard J. Rogers" <dba_at_hjrdba.com> wrote in message news:<ab9bc3$eu8$1_at_lust.ihug.co.nz>...
> "koert54" <koert54_at_nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:CNSB8.62692$Ze.9675_at_afrodite.telenet-ops.be...
> > > I have to say that evidence of the vast amounts of material help was
> > > seriously lacking. The vast materials to which I had access was a 15
> page
> > > pre-release beta document (that described the beta version, not the
> release
> > > version). I talked to no-one (it was the first 9i teach in Australia, so
> > > there was no-one to talk to). And I only discovered I had access to
> Metalink
> > > 2 weeks ago when the security bug was mentioned.
> > >
> > > So, not that this changes anything at all, but to say I have access to
> vast
> > > amounts of privileged information or resources is somewhat inaccurate. I
> > > find Jonathan's and Steve's sites much the most useful source of
> > > information. Then this newsgroup. And then my own botched experiments.
> >
> > Hmmm - discovered you had access to Metalink just 2 weeks ago ???
>
> Yup. When asked whether the security thing was a known bug, I had to ask my
> manager how to connect to Metalink so I could check. Maybe that was three
> weeks ago. I lose track.
>
> > And I hope you've already heared about WebIV ???
>
> Er, no....
>
> >If you take a look at
> > for example the internal tuning and the public tuning courses - there's a
> > world
> > of difference in level of detail between the two ...
>
> I wouldn't know an internal tuning course if it came up and bit me. The only
> performance tuning I've sat on is the public one (twice, given by a
> colleague from Melbourne), and what was advertised as a public one, but
> since it was run by Steve Adams, it soon turned out not to be (I think his
> first line was 'put the books away, because we won't be needing them'!!!).
> Guess which one I found useful.
>
> > If I would work for Oracle - that's the first thing I would ask for -
> > accounts
> > for Metalink and WebIV.
>
> As an instructor, I'd ask for a decent test environment first. Knowledge can
> be picked up in a multitude of places; the chance to practice what you have
> to teach is less readily accessible. Guess what we don't have?
>
> > No offense but I find this a bit hard to believe you don't have access to
> > all
> > these resources ... maybe look a bit harder :-)
>
> Well, I told you a true story. Maybe if I did look harder, I would find this
> wealth of resources I'm told exists. Maybe if I were a developer for Oracle,
> I would find them, too. Humble instructors (without, I may add, even
> instructor versions of the course notes) appear not to be privvy to such
> things.
>
> Regards
> HJR
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > "Howard J. Rogers" <dba_at_hjrdba.com> wrote in message
> > news:ab8g18$kf2$1_at_lust.ihug.co.nz...
> > > "Sean M" <smckeown_at_earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3CD2B48C.AD8ADB30_at_earthlink.net...
> > > [Snip]
> > >
> > > > A site like Howard's wouldn't be much different. Howard, by virtue of
> > > > being an Oracle employee, is privy to vast amounts of information not
> > > > available to the general public. He has free access to Oracle
> > > > University materials, free access to other Oracle-employed experts,
> > > > internal Oracle-only documentation, and gets to hone his skills on
> > > > Oracle's nickel as an instructor.
> > >
> > > I just thought I'd comment on the above with some true facts.
> > >
> > > In about September of last year, we began teaching 9i. You may recall
> that
> > > the Solaris version came out first, around about June-ish; then the
> Linux
> > > version, and finally the Windows version.
> > >
> > > I had to prepare to teach the 9i new features course. How do you prepare
> to
> > > teach a piece of software you've never got to run? So what did I have to
> do?
> > > I bought a brand new PC with my own cash (not claimable as expenses). I
> > > installed my own purchased copy of Linux. I downloaded the Linux version
> > > from technet.oracle.com via my 56K modem (ouch!). When the NT version
> > > finally came out 3 days before my first teach, I downloaded the NT
> version
> > > from technet, again via the 56K modem, wiped the new PC, installed my
> own
> > > verison of Windows and started over again.
> > >
> > > I have to say that evidence of the vast amounts of material help was
> > > seriously lacking. The vast materials to which I had access was a 15
> page
> > > pre-release beta document (that described the beta version, not the
> release
> > > version). I talked to no-one (it was the first 9i teach in Australia, so
> > > there was no-one to talk to). And I only discovered I had access to
> Metalink
> > > 2 weeks ago when the security bug was mentioned.
> > >
> > > So, not that this changes anything at all, but to say I have access to
> vast
> > > amounts of privileged information or resources is somewhat inaccurate. I
> > > find Jonathan's and Steve's sites much the most useful source of
> > > information. Then this newsgroup. And then my own botched experiments.
> > >
> > > Just thought I'd mention it.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > HJR
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >Clearly, Howard's writings (though
> > > > insightful and original) directly benefitted from his status as an
> > > > Oracle employee. Could he have produced those same writings had he
> not
> > > > been employed by Oracle? Maybe, but that's a tough one to prove. So
> > > > yes, Oracle owns what he's produced, as well they should.
> > > >
> > > > It's a shame that all the personal time he spent on the site is now
> > > > lost.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Sean
> > > >
> > > > [My views do not necessarily reflect those of my employer.]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Received on Wed May 08 2002 - 00:57:39 CDT