Re: Oracle Certified Master - is it any good?

I don't agree. Certification is meant to distinguish knowledgeable from novice, education is meant to transfer knowledge!

I believe OCP is highly recognized in the industry, unlike MCSE which is too easy to pass with braindump. OCP is not. So people who passes the exam shows themselves as knowledgeable. Regarding experience, it is a matter of applying the knowledge in real cases, of course having OCP does not mean he knows what to do in a disaster scenario (he may not stand the pressure, or too rush to check out a command, etc.) But I believe employer do look at certification and experience. If you are experienced, why not take a exam, it takes you less than a month to get it if you are experienced.

Kai. (Well, I'm not a OCP either!)

"Michael Austin" <maustin_at_firstdbasource.com> ????? news:3C7E4E9E.39DDF8E6_at_firstdbasource.com...
> I concur with most of those who say that it isn't worth the paper it is
> printed on. However, I will also say (BTW I am not "certified"...
> certifiable maybe) that when dealing with brain-dead recruiters and HR
> people, if it does not show up on the resume, you may not even have a
> shot at the job.
>
> People in HR and technical recruiting firms are a blight on the
> technical community because most of them that I have spoken to, do not,
> will not, and refuse to even take the time to learn the difference
> between those certified and those qualified. They are entirely two
> different things. They have their resume search engines that if the
> client says "they must be certified" and it does not appear on the
> resume you are screwed. So, then, do those of us who have better things
> to do than take some silly exam lie on our resumes by saying we are
> certified when we are not? This, IMHO, shows a lack of integrity and
> will probably get you into more trouble than it is worth. How then, do
> we get our resumes reviewed by the incompetency in this industry? We
> can scream all we want, but until the system changes, this will
> continue. Over the last 15 years we (those of us with technical
> diplomas or associates degrees) have routinely denied opportunities in
> some companies (not me personaly) because they did not have a BS or MS.
> The same thing applies... would you rather have a BS-degreed individual
> right out of school or someone that has 10-15 years experience. In
> today's economy, I have seen them choose the BS over the experience
> because they don'w want to pay for the experience. They would rather
> take a chance that the kid would not mess up their systems too bad
> rather than pay to ensure they don't get messed up. And these people
> have Master's degrees? this rant could go on forever, but until we
> start preaching to the congregation instead of the choir, and until they
> start heeding the advice given them by the "real" professionals, it
> won't do much good. (It just makes us feel better to vent every once in
> a while).
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Michael Austin Registered Linux User #261163
> First DBA Source, Inc. http://www.firstdbasource.com
> Sr. Consultant
>
>
>
>
> tooltalk wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Has anyone here taken the exam yet? How difficult/thorough is the
> > exam (say compared to OCP or CCIE-yes, that's a Cisco exam)? I've
> > been hearing so much that OCA/OCP are no higher valued than high
> > school GEDs (because it's somewhat rudimentary??).
> >
> > shm
>
Received on Fri Mar 01 2002 - 03:54:47 CST