From: Mark W. Farnham <>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:53:12 -0400
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I believe we should arrange an in-person debate at #C18LV with appropriate beverages. This is gonna be a gas. First one to say “Yes, Dear, you’re right” gets to chug. (I’ll buy you a nice shot for that, Tim.)  

presumptuously yours,  


From: [] On Behalf Of Kellyn Pot'Vin-Gorman Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 12:06 PM
To: Niall Litchfield
Cc: Tim Gorman; ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: From ORACLE-L to DATABASE-L?  

I also feel that MSSQL folks aren't going to come here to ask questions. They have enough forums and as was already mentioned, they use #sqlhelp hashtag for initial assistance. We are very much people of habit and although I would see a benefit to add more PostgreSQL to Oracle-l, I just don't see MSSQL being implemented here successfully.  

Sorry, honey!


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On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Niall Litchfield <> wrote:

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Tim Gorman <> wrote:

>> So, of course, I ask Oracle people about it. :)

There is a vibrant technical community in SQL Server and it is long past time that these communities cross-pollinated better.

As this thread shows, it isn't that one or the other DBMS is better, but they can be different in subtle ways which can trip up even the most experienced of us.

And, as this thread shows, many of us are tasked with administering both DBMS packages, in addition to PostgreSQL and MySQL.  

I agree with all of the above. I disagree with the suggestion though.  

Firstly ORACLE-L has, currently, a high signal-noise ratio. A very high signal-noise ratio. I strongly suspect the widening of scope to other RDBMS systems (I assume that is what Tim intended rather than DBMS) would reduce this. Where there is more than 1 way of doing things, techies tend to be especially protective of the way they do it. The introduction of subtly(and not so subtly) different engines would inevitably introduce the mines better than yours type of discussion.  

Secondly, email discussion lists are not really where *most* of the current generation look for valuable information. vendor forums, stack overflow, twitter and youtube fill that role. I *love* ORACLE-L but I'm not kidding myself that it's where hearts and minds are won. The general forums such as stack are pretty much where its at. They also naturally lend themselves to "in Oracle I'd do X - how do I achieve that in MongoDB" type discussions.  

So I'd worry that we'd reduce quality and not add effectively to the audience. Better to engage where people actually are!      

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