Re: Oracle Application Server for EBS 12.1.3 to 12.2.x

Great feedback Mark! It's interesting to hear some of the back story from folks that have been around Oracle and the user group community for longer than myself.

Alfredo

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 7:00 AM, Mark W. Farnham <mwf_at_rsiz.com> wrote:

> And if you get the “wrong answer” from your account rep, seek help from
> your users group (OAUG, IOUG or both).
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> This is one of the biggest issues negotiated for all customers by the
> users groups and it includes the difference between configuration and
> customization.
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> MANY years ago this arose (possibly it was workflow builder) when Oracle
> started using a new piece of licensable technology within the EBS
> framework. The default was to add it and the cost of maintenance to the
> annual renewable price and very tough conversations took place about the
> idea of requiring new expensive licenses due to an upgrade.
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> Some of the use of the workflow builder is required for routine
> configuration, for example. If that is all you do, no license is required.
> Some of the Oracle delivered manufacturing workflows, for example,
> routinely require cobbling in steps to talk to the manufacturing floor.
> That should be covered as configuration, not customization.
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> BUT if you use the workflow builder that comes along with EBS to build
> workflows for homegrown custom applications that happen to be on the same
> Oracle environment as EBS, then you clearly need a license.
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> Those are the polar cases and there is plenty of grey area in between.
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> Company screen logos on home page screens and so forth would likewise be
> configuration, not customization, from the client screen application tools
> perspective.
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> Settling any issues in doubt with your Oracle account rep should be done.
> But be prepared with some knowledge of Oracle’s agreed rules before that
> conversation.
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> Likewise partitioning, which Oracle now uses for some under the covers
> delivered tables because it would be stupid not to use partitioning for
> them and more complicated for Oracle to deliver for with and without
> partitioning. That basically has the same rules. Partitioning is IN the
> database, but whether or not you have to pay for it depends on whether or
> not you use it for partitioning YOUR tables as opposed to RDBMS engine
> tables or COTS as delivered tables.
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> Your mileage may vary. I am neither a lawyer nor an Oracle licensing
> specialist. I was part of rationalizing and agreeing on the general rules
> on behalf of the users groups. And yes, I failed to convince Oracle to just
> toss partitioning in for my personal convenience of the best solutions to
> my customers’ problems being adding partitioning (except it was too
> expensive to justify in a specific case.)
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> The key to the negotiation was that approximately 100% of the very large
> customers and reference accounts agreed that “sneaking in a new license” in
> a mandatory version upgrade was not acceptable.
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> I think the resultant policy is still in force (as reflected in Stephen’s
> blog with disclaimer.) Quite apart from arguments about which currently
> separately licensed bits of the Oracle technology SHOULD just come with the
> product, I think the policy as I’ve described it is fair. If some
> individual account rep has a different understanding I believe it is likely
> worth the effort required to politely push back.
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> And of course you should all join your continental, regional, local (if
> any) and sig users groups.
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> For example, if you just use the database and you live in Denver, you
> should belong to IOUG, RMOUG, and <forgive me for not knowing if there is a
> local>.
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> If you build applications, you join ODTUG as well.
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> If you run the former Peoplesoft and/or JD Edwards stack, you join Quest.
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> And if you’ve got EBS, good lord, join the OAUG and all the relevant
> subdivisions, especially including the OAUG DBSIG. (knowing my audience
> here is oracle-l).
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>
> Soon you’ll be completely hooked in, save yourself tons of effort, save
> your companies and clients even more money than you already do, be
> volunteering, and meeting the most fun people on the planet.
>
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> The sneaky bit is (and please don’t be offended) that Oracle wins too.
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> See you at #C18LV !
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> mwf
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> *From:* oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_
> freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Alfredo Abate
> *Sent:* Monday, January 29, 2018 10:18 PM
> *To:* Jeffrey Beckstrom
> *Cc:* Hemant K Chitale; oracle-l-freelist
> *Subject:* Re: Oracle Application Server for EBS 12.1.3 to 12.2.x
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> Jeffrey,
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> See below...I provided the URL to this in my original response which is
> directly from Steve Chan's blog. Your best bet is to call your Oracle
> account rep to be 100% certain.
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> Hope it helps.
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> Alfredo
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> Steven Chan Tuesday, September 24, 2013
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> Hi, Bob,
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> Licencing terms are covered in the EBS Price List Supplement; please refer
> to that for the authoritative list of licencing conditions or check with
> your Oracle account manager. I am not a licencing specialist and cannot
> provide authoritative guidance on licencing.
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>
> EBS 12.2 uses Oracle WebLogic Server (WLS) instead of Oracle Containers
> for Java (OC4J). Customers' existing E-Business Suite licences will cover
> these requirements. Existing E-Business Suite licences include iAS EE,
> which in turn includes WLS Basic.
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> In other words, WLS Basic covers the use of WLS in EBS 12.2 for standard
> uncustomized EBS environments. No additional licencing is required for EBS
> 12.2's use of WLS in uncustomized environments.
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> Regards,
>
>
>
> Steven
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> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Jeffrey Beckstrom <JBECKSTROM_at_gcrta.org>
> wrote:
>
> Is the transfer of IAS to Weblogic a zero cost?
>
> >>> Alfredo Abate <alfredo.abate_at_gmail.com> 1/29/18 10:06 AM >>>
>
> My understanding for EBS is that yes you do get a "restricted use" license
> of both iAS/WebLogic and the Database if using EBS straight out of the box
> (plain vanilla). The minute you customize Java, a report, form, etc that
> involves the application stack, you pay for those iAS/WebLogic licenses. As
> soon as one custom object (schema, table, etc,) is created in the database
> you need to pay for the database licensing as well.
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> More details are available here.
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> http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/application-
> licensing-table-070571.pdf
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> Also including my disclaimer from before.
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> Disclaimer: Ultimately what I just said means absolutely nothing until you
> contact your Oracle sales representative and confirm your current agreement
> with them on what's allowed. :)
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> Thanks,
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> Alfredo
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> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Hemant K Chitale <
> hemantkchitale_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Shouldn't EBS include a "RunTime" licence for WebLogic (as it does for the
> Database as well -- you don't need separate licencing for the Database
> unless either (a) you implement custom objects in the database or (b) need
> to licence a Standby database).
>
>
>
> Hemant K Chitale
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> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 11:53 PM, Jeffrey Beckstrom <JBECKSTROM_at_gcrta.org>
> wrote:
>
> We are running Oracle EBS 12.1.3 with Oracle Application Server 10.1.3.5.
> We are looking at upgrading EBS to 12.2.x. It is our understanding that we
> now need to license Weblogic. Is this true? If we must license Weblogic, is
> it a one for one trade-in of our Application Server licensing?
>
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> Jeffrey Beckstrom
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