Re: Accidental Use of Oracle Active Data Guard

From: Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen_at_gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 14:32:16 -0500
Message-ID: <56BB9040.1040800_at_gmail.com>



The question is about the 30 days. Here is the excerpt:

http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/olsa-gr-v020703-070544.pdf

/Trial Programs You may order trial programs, or Oracle may include additional programs with your order which you may use for trial, nonproduction purposes only. You have 30 days from the delivery date to evaluate these programs. If you decide to use any of these programs after the 30 day trial period, you must obtain a license for each program from Oracle. If you decide not to obtain a license for any program after the 30 day trial period, you will cease using and will delete the applicable programs from your computer systems. Programs licensed for trial purposes are provided “as is” and Oracle does not provide technical support or offer any warranties for these programs. /

Essentially, I am in compliance with the license, as long as my DB is less than 30 days old. Technically, if I drop the database and create a new copy, I am starting a new 30 days trial. You will have to prove that this is not so. As you yourself have said, you shouldn't be complying with everything that auditors ask for. I have seen people getting away with the trials. And, for the record, license audits did not create too many friends to Oracle Corp.
Personally, I advise everybody to take a look at DB2 for Linux. Excellent database, 3 times cheaper than Oracle and works just as well for majority of purposes. One of the ways of coping with exorbitantly expensive Oracle licenses is not using them, whenever possible. That might even motivate Oracle Corp. to reconsider their licensing policy.

On 2/10/2016 1:28 PM, Dimensional DBA wrote:
>
> Sorry, I had to get on the road for a bit. I asked you to read the
> licensing agreements, so let me help you here
>
> http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/databaselicensing-070584.pdf
>
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/licenses/standard-license-152015.html
>
> “Subject to the full terms of the OTN License Agreement, this limited
> license allows the user to develop applications using the licensed
> products as long as such applications have not been used for any data
> processing, business, commercial, or production purposes.”
>
> I am not a lawyer and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last
> night J, but I can read plain English and I have negotiated enough
> contracts over the last 23 years with multiple Chief Legal Counsels to
> understand that copying a database from prod to development by any
> means so that you can continue development on that app that is being
> used in prod is a license violation by that sentence above.
>
> Then you have the next statement in the licensing agreement
>
> “Test Environment: All programs used in a test environment must be
> licensed under an OMA, OLSA, or other appropriate Oracle (or Oracle
> authorized reseller) license agreement”.
>
> You can claim that you are only doing development on something but if
> you do not have a test and dev environment separate then the licensing
> folks will consider it to be test also and it would be a license
> violation if the app hadn’t made it to production yet. Also you must
> be very careful here relative that no portion of the app (think
> reusable libraries) is being used in your production environments or
> your app from a services perspective is not touching other apps that
> are in production use. Just for the sake of lawyers think in terms of
> are you using the a single DNS/AD server for prod and development that
> under a total application perspective could be considered the app is
> in prod.
>
> Then there are support agreements and your base license MSA and their
> licensing sentences that we will skip for now.
>
> I have seen too much in this space. This is why when I worked at
> Amazon and a variety of other customers that before we downloaded
> Oracle software to test with to see how it worked and if we wanted to
> buy it, we would go through legal counsel to negotiate a contract
> with Oracle on the use of their software for a specific limited period
> of time without charge because in most cases besides using canned
> benchmarks we wanted to actually develop/test with the real production
> applications to test the features. Once you are a customer of Oracle
> or really any software vendor there are many places for you to trip
> over licensing issues and in most cases that trip is because of us
> technical people doing something we shouldn’t.
>
> *Matthew Parker*
>
> *Chief Technologist*
>
> *Dimensional DBA*
>
> *425-891-7934 (cell)*
>
> *D&B *047931344**
>
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>
> *Dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net <mailto:Dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net>*
>
> *View Matthew Parker's profile on LinkedIn*
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>
> *From:*Malden Gogala [mailto:gogala.mladen_at_gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:45 AM
> *To:* Dimensional DBA
> *Cc:* oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> *Subject:* Re: Accidental Use of Oracle Active Data Guard
>
> Is anything I said inaccurate?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2016, at 8:35 AM, Dimensional DBA
> <dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net <mailto:dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> It is recommendations like this, trying to skirt Oracle licensing
> that will cause a license audit for a company and makes it harder
> for companies who make simple mistakes versus willful mistakes to
> deal with Oracle LMS.
>
> You really should read the Oracle licensing document for software
> downloads from OTN/Oracle.com <http://oracle.com> and read the
> oracle licensing documents relative to customers who own licenses
> versus simply being the single developer in the wild downloading
> software to learn or do development on while not owning any licenses.
>
> Your activities as an individual in a company and using any
> company equipment for these activities puts the company at risk
> and makes life worse for us in the Oracle Community.
>
> *Matthew Parker*
>
> *Chief Technologist*
>
> *Dimensional DBA*
>
> *425-891-7934 (cell)*
>
> *D&B *047931344
>
> *CAGE *7J5S7
>
> *Dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net <mailto:Dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net>*
>
> *View Matthew Parker's profile on LinkedIn*
> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/matthew-parker/6/51b/944/>
>
> *From:*oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org
> <mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org>
> [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Mladen Gogala
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:02 AM
> *To:* oracle-l_at_freelists.org <mailto:oracle-l_at_freelists.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Accidental Use of Oracle Active Data Guard
>
> On 02/10/2016 07:42 AM, John Hallas wrote:
>
> How true that is.
>
> It is often very difficult to work out what we have got and
> who controls the licenses.
>
> The best site as regards license management (and many other
> things) I worked at had a very simple rule – if a server was
> not listed on a central spreadsheet which was managed by
> Purchasing then you could not install any Oracle software on
> there.
>
> It did not matter how much anybody shouted or how important
> the project was – that was the rule.
>
> John
>
> www.jhdba.wordpress.com <http://www.jhdba.wordpress.com>
>
> *From:*kathy duret [mailto:katpopins21_at_yahoo.com]
>
>
>
> Where I have seen it fall down is that management doesn't
> always involve and/or communicate what is licensed effectively
> to staff.
>
> **
>
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> Another good trick to remember is that you have the right to use
> database 30 days for free, as a trial license. Consequently, if
> you keep re-creating your development database every 30 days,
> using some form of "duplicate database", you don't have to pay for
> the license. That is where SAN snapshot technology pays off.
>
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> --
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> Mladen Gogala
>
> Oracle DBA
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