Re: Total Recall License - but out of compliance - what?

You're absolutely right. Unless they Chris's company was required to purchase Advanced Compression as a prerequisite for Total Recall, I don't see how it's possible they could require it now if the license is still active.

Seth Miller

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Mark W. Farnham <mwf_at_rsiz.com> wrote:

> Hang on, his usage dates back to when “Total Recall” was sold, and he has
> a license for it that does not expire until October.
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> Until then he should be covered under the principle that they cannot force
> a new charge for existing licensed capability by breaking out and
> separately charging for components within the scope of the originally
> licensed product.
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> Now, if he had not previously had the separately licensed “Total Recall”
> and started using FDA with ACO after that became a separately licensed
> feature I’d agree with you.
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> mwf
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> *From:* oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:
> oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Seth Miller
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 09, 2015 1:58 PM
> *To:* Chris Taylor
> *Cc:* Oracle-L Freelists
> *Subject:* Re: Total Recall License - but out of compliance - what?
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> If you are running 11.2.0.2, it's an easy answer. You definitely need to
> have advanced compression to use FDA (Total Recall).
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> http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E11882_01/license.112/e47877/options.htm#DBLIC143
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> · *Flashback Data Archive (formerly known as Total Recall)*
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> *For releases earlier than Oracle Database 11g** Release 2
> (11.2.0.4): You must license the Oracle Advanced Compression option to use
> Flashback Data Archive.*
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> *Beginning with Oracle Database 11g** Release 2 (11.2.0.4): Flashback
> Data Archive—without history table optimization—is available in all
> editions.*
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> Seth Miller
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> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Chris Taylor <
> christopherdtaylor1994_at_gmail.com> wrote:
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> Not sure what you mean about FDA optimized. I'd have to research that as
> I haven't done anything with FDA.
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> No it was on an 11.2.0.2 db.
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> Chris
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> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Seth Miller <sethmiller.sm_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Is that FDA optimized?
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> Is this 11.2.0.4? (hint: the licensing requirements changed from 11.2.0.3
> to 11.2.0.4)
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> Seth Miller
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> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Chris Taylor <
> christopherdtaylor1994_at_gmail.com> wrote:
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> Now I'm confused. We got dinged on this for an 11.2 database in the
> Advanced Compression checks:
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> * Checking for "Flashback Data Archive (Total Recall)" feature usage
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> FLASHBACK_ARCHIVE_NAME TABLESPACE_NAME QUOTA_IN_MB
> RETENTION_IN_DAYS CREATE_TIME LAST_PURGE_TIME STATUS
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> ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------
> ----------------- --------------------- --------------------- --------
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> ORION_FL_ARCHIVE ORION_FLASHBACK_ARCHIVE
> 90 2014-11-05_12:24:27
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> 1 row selected.
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> no rows selected
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> *If any rows are returned then ADVANCED COMPRESSION OPTION is in use *
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> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Seth Miller <sethmiller.sm_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Chris,
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> Total Recall is not part of Advanced Compression. The Total Recall feature
> consisted in part of Flashback Data Archive (FDA). In Database 12c, Total
> Recall is now called "Temporal" which includes "Temporal History" and
> "Temporal Validity" and is an included feature. 12c continues to feature
> FDA to support a number of the flashback technologies including a number of
> new features.
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> In 11g, the FDA's were "optimized" -- compressed with advanced compression
> and deduplicated with SecureFiles. In 12c, this optimization is optional
> and has to be explicitly defined. You also have the option of how much and
> what kind of optimization (advanced row compression, advanced LOB
> compression and ADO) you want to use per FDA. In order to use these, you
> need to be licensed for advanced compression.
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> Seth Miller
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> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Hans Forbrich <fuzzy.graybeard_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> You will need to discuss this with your purchasing department, who should
> have the original contract, and with Oracle, who need to provide the
> information about the exact date and terms under which the options were
> merged.
>
> In the past, Oracle would usually document the merge of options, would
> generally provide a 'restricted use' license of the surviving option, and
> would document which capabilities in the new license are included (and
> sometime which are NOT to be used) in the restricted use license.
>
> However, please verify that you are using only the original Total Recall
> and not the compressed version. The original became free. I'm not sure
> the compressed actually existed before being folded into Adv. Compression,
> but I have no proof either way.
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> /Hans
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> On 09/04/2015 6:37 AM, Chris Taylor wrote:
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> Guys,
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> I know this touches on a licensing discussion but my questions are a
> little different.
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> We have 2 Total Recall Licenses:
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> 1 - 8 Proc Full Use - expires 10/12/2015
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> 1 - 200 Named User Plus full use - expires 10/12/2015
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> However, Total Recall "went away" at some point and was rolled into
> Advanced Compression.
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> Question #1:
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> Does anyone know when Total Recall was no longer an option *outside *of
> Advanced Compression?
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> Second part - we are getting dinged by Oracle for not having Advanced
> Compression licensed because we were using flashback data logs (Total
> Recall).
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> Question #2:
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> Anyone have any input on how we can have a support agreement for Total
> Recall (part of Advanced Compression) and not have Advanced Compression -
> thereby getting dinged on the audit for non-compliance?
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> Regards,
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> Chris Taylor
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