RE: Total Recall License - but out of compliance - what?
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 14:36:53 -0400
Message-ID: <074001d072f4$2787eaf0$7697c0d0$_at_rsiz.com>
But you’re also right that it will probably take a bit of a fight to NOT pay for it.
From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Seth Miller
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 2:31 PM
To: Mark W. Farnham
Cc: Chris Taylor; Oracle-L Freelists
Subject: Re: Total Recall License - but out of compliance - what?
Mark,
You're absolutely right. Unless they Chris's company was required to purchase Advanced Compression as a prerequisite for Total Recall, I don't see how it's possible they could require it now if the license is still active.
Seth Miller
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Mark W. Farnham <mwf_at_rsiz.com> wrote:
Hang on, his usage dates back to when “Total Recall” was sold, and he has a license for it that does not expire until October.
Until then he should be covered under the principle that they cannot force a new charge for existing licensed capability by breaking out and separately charging for components within the scope of the originally licensed product.
Now, if he had not previously had the separately licensed “Total Recall” and started using FDA with ACO after that became a separately licensed feature I’d agree with you.
mwf
From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Seth Miller
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 1:58 PM
To: Chris Taylor
Cc: Oracle-L Freelists
Subject: Re: Total Recall License - but out of compliance - what?
If you are running 11.2.0.2, it's an easy answer. You definitely need to have advanced compression to use FDA (Total Recall).
http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E11882_01/license.112/e47877/options.htm#DBLIC143
· Flashback Data Archive (formerly known as Total Recall)
For releases earlier than Oracle Database 11g Release 2 (11.2.0.4): You must license the Oracle Advanced Compression option to use Flashback Data Archive.
Beginning with Oracle Database 11g Release 2 (11.2.0.4): Flashback Data Archive—without history table optimization—is available in all editions.
Seth Miller
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Chris Taylor <christopherdtaylor1994_at_gmail.com> wrote:
Not sure what you mean about FDA optimized. I'd have to research that as I haven't done anything with FDA.
No it was on an 11.2.0.2 db.
Chris
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Seth Miller <sethmiller.sm_at_gmail.com> wrote:
Is that FDA optimized?
Is this 11.2.0.4? (hint: the licensing requirements changed from 11.2.0.3 to 11.2.0.4)
Seth Miller
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Chris Taylor <christopherdtaylor1994_at_gmail.com> wrote:
Now I'm confused. We got dinged on this for an 11.2 database in the Advanced Compression checks:
- Checking for "Flashback Data Archive (Total Recall)" feature usage
FLASHBACK_ARCHIVE_NAME TABLESPACE_NAME QUOTA_IN_MB RETENTION_IN_DAYS CREATE_TIME LAST_PURGE_TIME STATUS ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------ ----------------- --------------------- --------------------- -------- ORION_FL_ARCHIVE ORION_FLASHBACK_ARCHIVE 90 2014-11-05_12:24:27
1 row selected.
no rows selected
If any rows are returned then ADVANCED COMPRESSION OPTION is in use
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Seth Miller <sethmiller.sm_at_gmail.com> wrote:
Chris,
Total Recall is not part of Advanced Compression. The Total Recall feature consisted in part of Flashback Data Archive (FDA). In Database 12c, Total Recall is now called "Temporal" which includes "Temporal History" and "Temporal Validity" and is an included feature. 12c continues to feature FDA to support a number of the flashback technologies including a number of new features.
In 11g, the FDA's were "optimized" -- compressed with advanced compression and deduplicated with SecureFiles. In 12c, this optimization is optional and has to be explicitly defined. You also have the option of how much and what kind of optimization (advanced row compression, advanced LOB compression and ADO) you want to use per FDA. In order to use these, you need to be licensed for advanced compression.
Seth Miller
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Hans Forbrich <fuzzy.graybeard_at_gmail.com> wrote:
You will need to discuss this with your purchasing department, who should have the original contract, and with Oracle, who need to provide the information about the exact date and terms under which the options were merged.
In the past, Oracle would usually document the merge of options, would generally provide a 'restricted use' license of the surviving option, and would document which capabilities in the new license are included (and sometime which are NOT to be used) in the restricted use license.
However, please verify that you are using only the original Total Recall and not the compressed version. The original became free. I'm not sure the compressed actually existed before being folded into Adv. Compression, but I have no proof either way.
/Hans
On 09/04/2015 6:37 AM, Chris Taylor wrote:
Guys,
I know this touches on a licensing discussion but my questions are a little different.
We have 2 Total Recall Licenses:
1 - 8 Proc Full Use - expires 10/12/2015
1 - 200 Named User Plus full use - expires 10/12/2015
However, Total Recall "went away" at some point and was rolled into Advanced Compression.
Question #1:
Does anyone know when Total Recall was no longer an option outside of Advanced Compression?
Second part - we are getting dinged by Oracle for not having Advanced Compression licensed because we were using flashback data logs (Total Recall).
Question #2:
Anyone have any input on how we can have a support agreement for Total Recall (part of Advanced Compression) and not have Advanced Compression - thereby getting dinged on the audit for non-compliance?
Regards,
Chris Taylor
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