Re: Total Recall License - but out of compliance - what?
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 13:08:45 -0500
Message-ID: <CAP79kiTJ5PY2odetp+-QMKHy-JdovZZg8Vus0EGah5VizXEHoA_at_mail.gmail.com>
Well, see that's where it gets whacky because we have a license / maintenance agreement that doesn't expire until October of this year and has been getting renewed in the past.
It's already been pointed out that its weird because our license might be perpetual or term and that would affect how it should have gotten rolled up/out into something different when Total Recall was absorbed into the Advanced Compression option.
Chris
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Seth Miller <sethmiller.sm_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> If you are running 11.2.0.2, it's an easy answer. You definitely need to
> have advanced compression to use FDA (Total Recall).
>
> http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E11882_01/license.112/e47877/options.htm#DBLIC143
>
> -
>
> *Flashback Data Archive (formerly known as Total Recall)*
>
> *For releases earlier than Oracle Database 11g Release 2
> (11.2.0.4): You must license the Oracle Advanced Compression option to use
> Flashback Data Archive.*
>
> *Beginning with Oracle Database 11g Release 2 (11.2.0.4): Flashback
> Data Archive—without history table optimization—is available in all
> editions.*
>
> Seth Miller
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Chris Taylor <
> christopherdtaylor1994_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Not sure what you mean about FDA optimized. I'd have to research that as
>> I haven't done anything with FDA.
>>
>> No it was on an 11.2.0.2 db.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Seth Miller <sethmiller.sm_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is that FDA optimized?
>>>
>>> Is this 11.2.0.4? (hint: the licensing requirements changed from
>>> 11.2.0.3 to 11.2.0.4)
>>>
>>> Seth Miller
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Chris Taylor <
>>> christopherdtaylor1994_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now I'm confused. We got dinged on this for an 11.2 database in the
>>>> Advanced Compression checks:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * Checking for "Flashback Data Archive (Total Recall)" feature usage
>>>> FLASHBACK_ARCHIVE_NAME TABLESPACE_NAME
>>>> QUOTA_IN_MB RETENTION_IN_DAYS CREATE_TIME LAST_PURGE_TIME
>>>> STATUS
>>>> ------------------------------ ------------------------------
>>>> ------------ ----------------- --------------------- ---------------------
>>>> --------
>>>> ORION_FL_ARCHIVE ORION_FLASHBACK_ARCHIVE
>>>> 90 2014-11-05_12:24:27
>>>> 1 row selected.
>>>> no rows selected
>>>> *If any rows are returned then ADVANCED COMPRESSION OPTION is in use *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Seth Miller <sethmiller.sm_at_gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> Total Recall is not part of Advanced Compression. The Total Recall
>>>>> feature consisted in part of Flashback Data Archive (FDA). In Database 12c,
>>>>> Total Recall is now called "Temporal" which includes "Temporal History" and
>>>>> "Temporal Validity" and is an included feature. 12c continues to feature
>>>>> FDA to support a number of the flashback technologies including a number of
>>>>> new features.
>>>>>
>>>>> In 11g, the FDA's were "optimized" -- compressed with advanced
>>>>> compression and deduplicated with SecureFiles. In 12c, this optimization is
>>>>> optional and has to be explicitly defined. You also have the option of how
>>>>> much and what kind of optimization (advanced row compression, advanced LOB
>>>>> compression and ADO) you want to use per FDA. In order to use these, you
>>>>> need to be licensed for advanced compression.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seth Miller
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Hans Forbrich <
>>>>> fuzzy.graybeard_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You will need to discuss this with your purchasing department, who
>>>>>> should have the original contract, and with Oracle, who need to provide the
>>>>>> information about the exact date and terms under which the options were
>>>>>> merged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the past, Oracle would usually document the merge of options,
>>>>>> would generally provide a 'restricted use' license of the surviving option,
>>>>>> and would document which capabilities in the new license are included (and
>>>>>> sometime which are NOT to be used) in the restricted use license.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, please verify that you are using only the original Total
>>>>>> Recall and not the compressed version. The original became free. I'm not
>>>>>> sure the compressed actually existed before being folded into Adv.
>>>>>> Compression, but I have no proof either way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Hans
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/04/2015 6:37 AM, Chris Taylor wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know this touches on a licensing discussion but my questions are
>>>>>> a little different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have 2 Total Recall Licenses:
>>>>>> 1 - 8 Proc Full Use - expires 10/12/2015
>>>>>> 1 - 200 Named User Plus full use - expires 10/12/2015
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, Total Recall "went away" at some point and was rolled into
>>>>>> Advanced Compression.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Question #1:
>>>>>> Does anyone know when Total Recall was no longer an option *outside *of
>>>>>> Advanced Compression?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second part - we are getting dinged by Oracle for not having
>>>>>> Advanced Compression licensed because we were using flashback data logs
>>>>>> (Total Recall).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Question #2:
>>>>>> Anyone have any input on how we can have a support agreement for
>>>>>> Total Recall (part of Advanced Compression) and not have Advanced
>>>>>> Compression - thereby getting dinged on the audit for non-compliance?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Chris Taylor
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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