Re: Definition of Top Class DBA
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 17:51:48 -0400
Message-ID: <CAM6TEvJQeEAfa8KP0JaKAhcB1sV+AGpfjB-6wG6_Eu8tA1NJCQ_at_mail.gmail.com>
I always thought World Class DBA meant someone who could work 96 hours without sleep and live on Nachos, Pizza, and Mountain Dew.
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 1:10 PM, John Piwowar <jpiwowar_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> Agreed that you need to look at the position description and research the
> organization. No one posts a job ad for "Pretty Good DBA" or "World-class
> aspirant DBA."
>
> Best conversation about titles I ever had was during a team meeting with
> my CTO. We had 4 people on the team.
> It went like this:
> "I don't care too much about titles. As far as I'm concerned, the only
> title that matters is 'Guy who gets sh*t done.' I'm the guy who gets sh*t
> done. *You're* the guy that gets sh*t done. You're the gal who gets sh*t
> done; You're the gal who gets sh*t done; and you're the guy who gets sh*t
> done."
>
> We got a lot done. ;-)
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Bobby Curtis <curtisbl_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Everyone has good points on this topic, I’ll just add my 2 cents...
>>
>> I don’t think titles amount to a hill-of-beans at times; many people
>> chase titles trying to get a head, I’ll admit I was one until a few years
>> ago when I met some really cool people in the Oracle community. A title
>> like “World-class DBA” is just someone in management or HR trying to find a
>> resource. I see it all the time in emails from recruiters. Additionally,
>> I have this discussion with my mother, of all people, who is an Senior HR
>> Specialist. She has no clue what I do for a living or what the technology
>> is; absolutely clueless at times. Management and HR just want to fill a
>> seat to keep the business going. Using catchy position titles is one way
>> they do that.
>>
>> If you find the position interesting from looking at the details and it
>> seems like something you want to do, then apply and go after it. If you
>> don’t live up to the standards outlined for the job announcement set forth
>> by management or HR then you at least, as Seth points out, have a
>> networking opportunity. If you make it into the position, you at least
>> have a chance to prove yourself. Don’t let meaningless titles from people
>> who don’t know our industry stop you from moving forward. In the end, what
>> I think a lot of people define as “Top Class DBA” or “World Class DBA” is
>> derived from their perception of the person they are talking to. Don’t let
>> someone’s perception of you keep you for achieving your goals!
>>
>> Just my 2 cents..
>>
>> Bobby Curtis
>> curtisbl_at_gmail.com
>> http://about.me/dbasolved
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 4, 2014, at 11:20, Andrew Kerber <andrew.kerber_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> When I see that kind of description (as opposed to senior DBA or just
>> specifying years of experience), I immediately suspect that the job
>> requirements were written by HR rather than the manager who is looking for
>> the DBA.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 11:19 PM, Dimensional DBA <
>> dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I would agree with Seth as in not worrying so much about the management
>>> fluff or extra phrasology when you go to apply for a job, but you should be
>>> ready to answer that question if they listed it as a requirement of what
>>> makes you think you are a “World Class DBA?”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have had some interviewers actually go down the list of skills on the
>>> sheet they published and went through every point including those added
>>> management phrases…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Matthew Parker*
>>>
>>> *Chief Technologist*
>>>
>>> *425-891-7934 <425-891-7934> (cell)*
>>>
>>> *Dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net <Dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net>*
>>>
>>> *View Matthew Parker's profile on LinkedIn*
>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/matthew-parker/6/51b/944/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:
>>> oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Seth Miller
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 03, 2014 8:59 PM
>>> *To:* Kumar Madduri
>>> *Cc:* oracle Freelists
>>> *Subject:* Re: Definition of Top Class DBA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kumar,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those terms are written by management, HR or more likely, whomever they
>>> hired (that wouldn't know a database if it slapped them in the face) to
>>> find candidates. Don't let meaningless nomenclature influence your opinion
>>> and most importantly, don't let anything about a job posting prevent you
>>> from applying. If you are way under-qualified for a position and you manage
>>> to get an interview, the very worst thing that could happen is you get an
>>> hour of networking, invaluable interviewing practice and finding out
>>> exactly what that company is really looking for.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seth Miller
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Kumar Madduri <ksmadduri_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>> In several job postings, key words like 'Top Class DBA', 'World Class
>>> DBA' and other such adjectives are used. While every organization wants
>>> those kind of DBAs, how do you define it or measure it.
>>>
>>> I may be a 'Top Class DBA' at my place but 'Lowly DBA' for some other
>>> org or some other DBAs and vice versa (I could be lowly dba where I am but
>>> could be top class where I would get a job).
>>>
>>> I think words like 'Top Class DBA' intimidates me (personally)..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am probably opening a pandora's box here but wanted to get the
>>> opinion of elite members of this group.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> Kumar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andrew W. Kerber
>>
>> 'If at first you dont succeed, dont take up skydiving.'
>>
>>
>>
>
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