Re: Definition of Top Class DBA
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 16:12:14 -0600
Message-ID: <5408E3BE.4000007_at_evdbt.com>
"I do not think it means what you think it means."
On 9/4/14, 15:51, Thomas Roach wrote:
> I always thought World Class DBA meant someone who could work 96 hours
> without sleep and live on Nachos, Pizza, and Mountain Dew.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 1:10 PM, John Piwowar <jpiwowar_at_gmail.com
> <mailto:jpiwowar_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Agreed that you need to look at the position description and
> research the organization. No one posts a job ad for "Pretty Good
> DBA" or "World-class aspirant DBA."
>
> Best conversation about titles I ever had was during a team
> meeting with my CTO. We had 4 people on the team.
> It went like this:
> "I don't care too much about titles. As far as I'm concerned, the
> only title that matters is 'Guy who gets sh*t done.' I'm the guy
> who gets sh*t done. *You're* the guy that gets sh*t done. You're
> the gal who gets sh*t done; You're the gal who gets sh*t done; and
> you're the guy who gets sh*t done."
>
> We got a lot done. ;-)
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Bobby Curtis <curtisbl_at_gmail.com
> <mailto:curtisbl_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Everyone has good points on this topic, I’ll just add my 2
> cents...
>
> I don’t think titles amount to a hill-of-beans at times; many
> people chase titles trying to get a head, I’ll admit I was one
> until a few years ago when I met some really cool people in
> the Oracle community. A title like “World-class DBA” is just
> someone in management or HR trying to find a resource. I see
> it all the time in emails from recruiters. Additionally, I
> have this discussion with my mother, of all people, who is an
> Senior HR Specialist. She has no clue what I do for a living
> or what the technology is; absolutely clueless at times.
> Management and HR just want to fill a seat to keep the
> business going. Using catchy position titles is one way they
> do that.
>
> If you find the position interesting from looking at the
> details and it seems like something you want to do, then apply
> and go after it. If you don’t live up to the standards
> outlined for the job announcement set forth by management or
> HR then you at least, as Seth points out, have a networking
> opportunity. If you make it into the position, you at least
> have a chance to prove yourself. Don’t let meaningless titles
> from people who don’t know our industry stop you from moving
> forward. In the end, what I think a lot of people define as
> “Top Class DBA” or “World Class DBA” is derived from their
> perception of the person they are talking to. Don’t let
> someone’s perception of you keep you for achieving your goals!
>
> Just my 2 cents..
>
> Bobby Curtis
> curtisbl_at_gmail.com <mailto:curtisbl_at_gmail.com>
> http://about.me/dbasolved
>
>
>
> On Sep 4, 2014, at 11:20, Andrew Kerber
> <andrew.kerber_at_gmail.com <mailto:andrew.kerber_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> When I see that kind of description (as opposed to senior DBA
>> or just specifying years of experience), I immediately
>> suspect that the job requirements were written by HR rather
>> than the manager who is looking for the DBA.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 11:19 PM, Dimensional DBA
>> <dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net
>> <mailto:dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>> I would agree with Seth as in not worrying so much about
>> the management fluff or extra phrasology when you go to
>> apply for a job, but you should be ready to answer that
>> question if they listed it as a requirement of what makes
>> you think you are a “World Class DBA?”
>>
>> I have had some interviewers actually go down the list of
>> skills on the sheet they published and went through every
>> point including those added management phrases…
>>
>> *Matthew Parker*
>>
>> *Chief Technologist*
>>
>> *425-891-7934 <tel:425-891-7934> (cell)*
>>
>> *Dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net
>> <mailto:Dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net>*
>>
>> *View Matthew Parker's profile on LinkedIn*
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/matthew-parker/6/51b/944/>
>>
>> *From:*oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org
>> <mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org>
>> [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org
>> <mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org>] *On Behalf Of
>> *Seth Miller
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 03, 2014 8:59 PM
>> *To:* Kumar Madduri
>> *Cc:* oracle Freelists
>> *Subject:* Re: Definition of Top Class DBA
>>
>> Kumar,
>>
>> Those terms are written by management, HR or more likely,
>> whomever they hired (that wouldn't know a database if it
>> slapped them in the face) to find candidates. Don't let
>> meaningless nomenclature influence your opinion and most
>> importantly, don't let anything about a job posting
>> prevent you from applying. If you are way under-qualified
>> for a position and you manage to get an interview, the
>> very worst thing that could happen is you get an hour of
>> networking, invaluable interviewing practice and finding
>> out exactly what that company is really looking for.
>>
>> Seth Miller
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Kumar Madduri
>> <ksmadduri_at_gmail.com <mailto:ksmadduri_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello:
>>
>> In several job postings, key words like 'Top Class DBA',
>> 'World Class DBA' and other such adjectives are used.
>> While every organization wants those kind of DBAs, how do
>> you define it or measure it.
>>
>> I may be a 'Top Class DBA' at my place but 'Lowly DBA'
>> for some other org or some other DBAs and vice versa (I
>> could be lowly dba where I am but could be top class
>> where I would get a job).
>>
>> I think words like 'Top Class DBA' intimidates me
>> (personally)..
>>
>> I am probably opening a pandora's box here but wanted to
>> get the opinion of elite members of this group.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Kumar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andrew W. Kerber
>>
>> 'If at first you dont succeed, dont take up skydiving.'
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Thomas Roach
> 813-404-6066
> troach_at_gmail.com <mailto:troach_at_gmail.com>
-- http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-lReceived on Fri Sep 05 2014 - 00:12:14 CEST