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Re: New books and new authors - and experience?

From: Mogens Nørgaard <>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 07:55:41 +0100
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Oh, heck, now I've destroyed my promising career as professional proof reader of essential books. But it was a very, very small market to begin with, if you note the word "essential" :-).


Richard Foote wrote:

> Hi Morgens,
> I'm currently writing a new features book on 11r (the r btw standards for
> redundancies) and to think, I was going to ask you to proof read it.
> Well you can just forget about it if that's your attitude !!
> Cheers ;)
> Richard
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mogens Nørgaard" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:41 AM
> Subject: New books and new authors - and experience?

>>I recently wrote this message, but then sent it just to myself in order
>>not to offend anyone or perhaps be misunderstood.
>>But after 14 days with this message in my inbox, I have decided to go
>>ahead and send it to the list:
>>It's becoming a habit to churn out books about topics that cannot
>>possibly have been explored yet. And certainly not in any scientific
> manner.

>>How on Earth can we have books out with the word "10g" on the cover when
>>10g just came out, and we all know, that getting something as basic as
>>OEM (and certainly AWR/ADDM/ASH/Advisor services) to work during the
>>Beta phase has been damned near impossible? If that is the case, how can
>>the books talk in detail about how fantastic these features are?
>>Sandra's last name is...
>>I don't really care whether the books were "betatized" or not, or
>>however various authors try to impress on people that their books are
>>better than the other's. These are all books written by people without
>>real experience in 10g (because it's bloody well impossible to HAVE real
>>experience yet!) talking about people writing books about something they
>>don't know enough about yet...
>>I fully understand Oracle's wishes here. I fully understand the
>>publisher's wishes here. I might even understand the author's wishes
>>here (or maybe not). But it's too much now. iAS.
>>I think it's time for all of us to stop buying sensationalist or
>>un-finished or whatever books and wait until books by people who've
>>actually done real work, in the real world, with 10g appear.
>>Hands down: Shouldn't we all be reading James Morle's book (titled *8i*)
>>or Jonathan's (titled *8i*) and LEARNING real stuff instead of just
>>running around in real and virtual book stores, looking for new sound
>>bites or cut/paste's from Oracle's own documentation?
>>Read Oracle's documentation first, try out 10g, then see if anybody with
>>REAL experience has written a book.
>>Of course they haven't. They don't exist, since the Oracle version
>>hasn't been out yet.
>>Oh, I know how this happens. Been there. You're approached by a
>>publisher who wants to publish fast and make lots of money for them and
>>you. If you don't say NO, then you're caught between delivering
>>SOMETHING and being blasted by the publisher. So you choose - perhaps -
>>to generate text and examples and stuff that make it appear as if you
>>actually WORKED with this new version of Oracle.
>>Of course you didn't. Ask the authors what customers or partners they
>>worked with using 10g. Ask them if this was real production or just the
>>usual "let's try this, let's try that" stuff. Ask. Then think. Of course
>>they havne't been able to do anything realistic yet.
>>Man, when I looked at the books offered from various publishers at the
>>RMOUG, there were a few good Oracle-related books (Dave Ensor's Design,
>>Cary's, Lawson's, Connor's, etc.) and about 90% of the displayed books
>>being ... well... not worth the money.
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