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Re: New books and new authors - and experience?

From: Richard Foote <>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:26:10 +1000
Message-ID: <01d401c40c12$a5dc0120$0100000a@FOOTE>

Hi Morgens,

I'm currently writing a new features book on 11r (the r btw standards for redundancies) and to think, I was going to ask you to proof read it.

Well you can just forget about it if that's your attitude !!

Cheers ;)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mogens Nørgaard" <> To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:41 AM
Subject: New books and new authors - and experience?

> Friends,
> I recently wrote this message, but then sent it just to myself in order
> not to offend anyone or perhaps be misunderstood.
> But after 14 days with this message in my inbox, I have decided to go
> ahead and send it to the list:
> =================================================================
> It's becoming a habit to churn out books about topics that cannot
> possibly have been explored yet. And certainly not in any scientific
> How on Earth can we have books out with the word "10g" on the cover when
> 10g just came out, and we all know, that getting something as basic as
> OEM (and certainly AWR/ADDM/ASH/Advisor services) to work during the
> Beta phase has been damned near impossible? If that is the case, how can
> the books talk in detail about how fantastic these features are?
> Sandra's last name is...
> I don't really care whether the books were "betatized" or not, or
> however various authors try to impress on people that their books are
> better than the other's. These are all books written by people without
> real experience in 10g (because it's bloody well impossible to HAVE real
> experience yet!) talking about people writing books about something they
> don't know enough about yet...
> I fully understand Oracle's wishes here. I fully understand the
> publisher's wishes here. I might even understand the author's wishes
> here (or maybe not). But it's too much now. iAS.
> I think it's time for all of us to stop buying sensationalist or
> un-finished or whatever books and wait until books by people who've
> actually done real work, in the real world, with 10g appear.
> Hands down: Shouldn't we all be reading James Morle's book (titled *8i*)
> or Jonathan's (titled *8i*) and LEARNING real stuff instead of just
> running around in real and virtual book stores, looking for new sound
> bites or cut/paste's from Oracle's own documentation?
> Read Oracle's documentation first, try out 10g, then see if anybody with
> REAL experience has written a book.
> Of course they haven't. They don't exist, since the Oracle version
> hasn't been out yet.
> Oh, I know how this happens. Been there. You're approached by a
> publisher who wants to publish fast and make lots of money for them and
> you. If you don't say NO, then you're caught between delivering
> SOMETHING and being blasted by the publisher. So you choose - perhaps -
> to generate text and examples and stuff that make it appear as if you
> actually WORKED with this new version of Oracle.
> Of course you didn't. Ask the authors what customers or partners they
> worked with using 10g. Ask them if this was real production or just the
> usual "let's try this, let's try that" stuff. Ask. Then think. Of course
> they havne't been able to do anything realistic yet.
> Man, when I looked at the books offered from various publishers at the
> RMOUG, there were a few good Oracle-related books (Dave Ensor's Design,
> Cary's, Lawson's, Connor's, etc.) and about 90% of the displayed books
> being ... well... not worth the money.
> Mogens
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