Re: 9iAS vs. Weblogic and Websphere

From: Alessandro Guimarães <alessandro_at_applysolutions.com.br>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:57:05 -0700
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Hi,

The Oracle http server (OHS) is a collection of three distinct feature = sets.=20

1 - Web Server based on the proven Apache technology. It also provides = support for WebDAV, with Oracle9iDB as a backing store. The Proxy = Plug-In component allows Oracle9iAS to be used with other web servers = such as IIS and NES.=20
2 - Dynamic Web Applications- it provides an ability to write web = applications in several languages - PLSQL, Perl, Server Side Include, = C/C++ etc. It also provides some frameworks - DMS for monitoring, and = Java Object Cache for caching Java objects.=20 3 - Clustering frameworking for Oracle9ias - The new infrastructure = enables quick distributed deployment of J2EE applications. It also = monitors all processes in a cluster for failure and transparently = updates the routing table for optimal load balancing and minimum runtime = impact on requests.=20

Web servers - Apache, Zeus , ISS
Servlets Engines - Tom Cat, Apache Jserver/OC4

Oracle9iAS Release 2 (v9.0.3) is 100% J2EE 1.3 Compatible(TM).

Alessandro Guimar=E3es

Original Message -----=20 From: "DENNIS WILLIAMS" <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:24 AM Subject: RE: 9iAS vs. Weblogic and Websphere

> Ryan
> I'm no Java expert and am willing to be corrected. My understanding
> is that Apache is just a web page server. The better comparison is =
between
> Tomcat and 9iAS. Since most web hits are for just static pages, you =
may even
> chose to have Apache front-end your 9iAS. Over Tomcat, 9iAS is J2EE
> compliant. Also more scalability. And if your company isn't ready for =
open
> source, 9iAS offers a big vendor to yell at.

>=20

> Dennis Williams
> DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com=20

>=20
>=20

> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

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> what functionality does 9iAS give you over just running apache?
> ----- Original Message -----
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:59 AM

>=20
>=20

> > Ryan
> > My impression is that 9iAS probably has the best database =
interface.
> The
> > others look pretty primitive in comparison, basically just JDBC when =
you
> get
> > to the bottom. Also, note that Oracle is currently running a special =
to
> lure
> > WebLogic and Websphere users away. I think in this confusing, =
evolving
> > market for application servers, a lot depends on your company's =
approach.
> If
> > your company is highly committed to Oracle, then 9iAS is the logical
> choice.
> > If you are highly committed to IBM, then Websphere is the logical =
choice.
> In
> > our case we had to persuade people to move away from MS, and the =
argument
> > was that you wouldn't be locked into one vendor, so the tendency has =
been
> to
> > avoid Oracle for the non-DB pieces. I think the enterprise-scale AS =
are so
> > complex that it is hard to compare feature-for-feature.
> >
> > Dennis Williams
> > DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
> > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:54 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > I havent dug into 9iAS yet, but I want to learn atleast one of the =
major
> web
> > servers. It appears that WebLogic and Websphere dominate the market. =
It
> also
> > appears that 9iAS is tedious and has a poor design relative to these =
other
> > two.
> >
> > What do you think? How different are the webservers? If I pick up =
one,
> does
> > it translate?
> >
> > Also, what functionality does 9iAS add that Apache does not have in =
and of
> > itself? I was able to run 9i Forms with just apache and OC4J?
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> > --
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> > Author: Ryan
> > INET: rgaffuri_at_cox.net
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Oracle http server (OHS) is a =

collection of=20
three distinct feature sets. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1 - Web Server based on the proven = Apache=20
technology. It also provides support for WebDAV, with Oracle9iDB as = a=20
backing store. The Proxy Plug-In component allows Oracle9iAS to be used = with=20
other web servers such as IIS and NES. </DIV> <DIV>2 - Dynamic Web Applications- it = provides an=20
ability to write web applications in several languages - PLSQL, Perl, = Server=20
Side Include, C/C++ etc. It also provides some frameworks - DMS for = monitoring,=20
and Java Object Cache for caching Java objects. </DIV> <DIV>3 - Clustering frameworking for = Oracle9ias - The=20
new infrastructure enables quick distributed deployment of J2EE = applications. It=20
also monitors all processes in a cluster for failure and transparently = updates=20
the routing table for optimal load balancing and minimum runtime impact = on=20
requests. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Web servers - Apache, Zeus , = ISS</DIV>
<DIV>Servlets Engines - Tom Cat, Apache=20 Jserver/OC4</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT=20 face=3DArial>Oracle9iAS Release 2 (v9.0.3) is 100% J2EE 1.3=20 Compatible(TM).</DIV>
<DIV><FONT=20 face=3DArial> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT=20 face=3DArial> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Alessandro Guimar=E3es</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From: "DENNIS WILLIAMS" &lt;</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM"><FONT face=3DArial=20

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<DIV>Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:24 = AM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: RE: 9iAS vs. Weblogic and=20 Websphere</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>> Ryan > I'm no Java expert and am willing to be = corrected. My=20
understanding > is that Apache is just a web page server. The = better=20
comparison is between > Tomcat and 9iAS. Since most web hits are = for just=20
static pages, you may even > chose to have Apache front-end your = 9iAS.=20
Over Tomcat, 9iAS is J2EE > compliant. Also more scalability. And = if your=20
company isn't ready for open > source, 9iAS offers a big vendor to = yell=20
at. > > Dennis Williams > DBA, 80%OCP, 100% = DBA >=20
Lifetouch, Inc. > <A =

href=3D"mailto:dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com</FONT></A><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>=20

> > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: = Wednesday,=20
July 23, 2003 9:29 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list = ORACLE-L >=20
 > > what functionality does 9iAS give you over just = running=20
apache? > ----- Original Message ----- > To: "Multiple = recipients of=20
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Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:59 AM > > > > = Ryan >=20
>    My impression is that 9iAS probably has the best = database=20
interface. > The > > others look pretty primitive in = comparison,=20
basically just JDBC when you > get > > to the bottom. = Also, note=20
that Oracle is currently running a special to > lure > > = WebLogic=20
and Websphere users away. I think in this confusing, evolving > = >=20
market for application servers, a lot depends on your company's=20 approach. > If > > your company is highly committed to = Oracle,=20
then 9iAS is the logical > choice. > > If you are highly=20 committed to IBM, then Websphere is the logical choice. > = In > >=20
our case we had to persuade people to move away from MS, and the=20 argument > > was that you wouldn't be locked into one vendor, = so the=20
tendency has been > to > > avoid Oracle for the non-DB = pieces. I=20
think the enterprise-scale AS are so > > complex that it is = hard to=20
compare feature-for-feature. > > > > Dennis = Williams >=20
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> appears that 9iAS is tedious and has a poor design relative to = these=20
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different are the webservers? If I pick up one, > does > = > it=20
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