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RE: Another OCP slant...

From: April Wells <awells_at_csedge.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:16:01 -0500
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I scheduled mine over lunch... without the luxury of being able to take all
the time off I need to take tests all day.  It is why it took me 2.33 years
for my undergrad degree and 4 years to finish my masters... it is all a
matter of my setting my priorities, not in being able to pass a mess of
multiple choice tests in a day.
 



April Wells 


Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA 


Corporate Systems 


Amarillo Texas 



You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will
suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need.



~ Jerry Gillies ~ 



-----Original Message-----



From: Tanel Poder [mailto:tanel.poder.003_at_mail.ee]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:59 PM


To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: Another OCP slant...




Hi!
 


Why did you take 8 + 1 tests for 8 and 8i DBA? 5 + 1 should have been
enough?
 


Back in summer of 1999 when I wen't to EOUG yearly conference, Oracle
promoted their OCP exams there and let people take their exams free. I
thouht, what the heck, let's give it a try - and completed all 5 exams in
one day ;) After that I was kind of disappointed that the exams were so easy
(I had only about 1,5 yr Oracle experience by then). 
 


But now I see guys who spend a month memorizing every word in exam cram
books and still pass the exams, without having any skill to maintain actual
real life databases... Currently, only thing OCP says to me right now, is
that the guy/girl owning it, isn't a complete loser and at least is willing
to do someting. Whether getting OCP is the right thing to do fist in Oracle
career, is a different issue.
 


Tanel.


Previously OCP 8-9i, now Oracle Certified Master.






for 8 and 8i, I used the Exam cram books and the Osborne book for 8i.  Took
all of the 8 OCP tests and the upgrade test in 8 weeks.
 


April Wells 


Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA 


Corporate Systems 


Amarillo Texas 



You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will
suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need.



~ Jerry Gillies ~ 



-----Original Message-----



From: Stefick Ronald S Contr ESC/HRIDD


[mailto:Ronald.Stefick_at_RANDOLPH.AF.MIL]


Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:19 AM


To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Another OCP slant...





No, I sat through thte Oracle Education Classes and studied from the books
given in the class.  They make for great reference books now as well.



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From: Denham Eva [ mailto:EvaD_at_TFMC.co.za <mailto:EvaD_at_TFMC.co.za> ] 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:34 AM 


To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
Subject: Another OCP slant... 




Hello Folks, 



I have discovered something *very* disturbing. We have a person(x2) who has
earned their MCDBA - Microsoft DBA certifiction. These two don't have any
clue, about database issues, when pressed to how they did it, it came out
that they used the threads on a website called www.braindumps.com Beyond the
ethical implications and all the other issues. 



Has anyone on this list used the tips/suggestions to study for their OCP
exams? Are they any good as an aid? 



Regards 


Denham Eva 


Oracle DBA 


Linux like TeePee... No Windows, No Gates and Apache inside! 








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<DIV><SPAN class=645121419-17072003><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff 
size=2>I scheduled mine over lunch... without the luxury of being able to take 
all the time off I need to take tests all day.&nbsp; It is why it took me 2.33 
years for my undergrad degree and 4 years to finish my masters... it is all a 
matter of my setting my priorities, not in&nbsp;being able to pass a mess of 
multiple choice tests in a day.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>April Wells</FONT> <BR><FONT 
face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA</FONT> <BR><FONT 
face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Corporate Systems</FONT> <BR><FONT 
face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Amarillo Texas</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=1>You will recognize your own path when you 
come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and imagination you 
will ever need.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=1>~ Jerry Gillies ~</FONT> </P>
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  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tanel Poder 
  [mailto:tanel.poder.003_at_mail.ee]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:59 
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: 
  Another OCP slant...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Why did you take 8 + 1 tests for 8 and 8i DBA? 5 
  + 1 should have been enough?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Back in summer of 1999 when I wen't to EOUG 
  yearly conference, Oracle promoted their OCP exams there and let people take 
  their exams free. I thouht, what the heck, let's give it a try - and completed 
  all 5 exams in one day ;) After that I was kind of disappointed that the exams 
  were so easy (I had only about 1,5 yr Oracle experience by then). 
</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But now I see guys who spend a month memorizing 
  every word in exam cram books and still pass the exams, without having any 
  skill to maintain actual real life databases... Currently, only thing OCP says 
  to me right now, is that the guy/girl owning it, isn't a complete loser and at 
  least is willing to do someting. Whether getting OCP is the right thing to do 
  fist in Oracle career, is a different issue.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tanel.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Previously OCP 8-9i, now Oracle Certified 
  Master.</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com 
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:34 
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Another OCP slant...</DIV>
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    <DIV><SPAN class=318003612-17072003><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff 
    size=2>for 8 and 8i, I used the Exam cram books and the Osborne book for 
    8i.&nbsp;&nbsp;Took all of the 8 OCP tests and the upgrade&nbsp;test in 8 
    weeks.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=318003612-17072003><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff 
    size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>April Wells</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Corporate Systems</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Amarillo Texas</FONT> </DIV>
    <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=1>You will recognize your own path when 
    you come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and 
    imagination you will ever need.</FONT></P>
    <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=1>~ Jerry Gillies ~</FONT> </P>
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      size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Stefick Ronald S Contr 
      ESC/HRIDD [mailto:Ronald.Stefick_at_RANDOLPH.AF.MIL]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 
      Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Multiple recipients of list 
      ORACLE-L<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Another OCP slant...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
      <P><FONT size=2>No, I sat through thte Oracle Education Classes and 
      studied from the books given in the class.&nbsp; They make for great 
      reference books now as well.</FONT></P>
      <P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From: 
      Denham Eva [<A href="mailto:EvaD_at_TFMC.co.za">mailto:EvaD_at_TFMC.co.za</A>] 
      </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:34 AM</FONT> 
      <BR><FONT size=2>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L</FONT> <BR><FONT 
      size=2>Subject: Another OCP slant...</FONT> </P><BR>
      <P><FONT size=2>Hello Folks,</FONT> </P>
      <P><FONT size=2>I have discovered something *very* disturbing. We have a 
      person(x2) who has earned their MCDBA - Microsoft DBA certifiction. These 
      two don't have any clue, about database issues, when pressed to how they 
      did it, it came out that they used the threads on a website called 
      www.braindumps.com Beyond the ethical implications and all the other 
      issues. </FONT></P>
      <P><FONT size=2>Has anyone on this list used the tips/suggestions to study 
      for their OCP exams? Are they any good as an aid?</FONT> </P>
      <P><FONT size=2>Regards</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Denham Eva</FONT> 
      <BR><FONT size=2>Oracle DBA</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Linux like TeePee... 
      No Windows, No Gates and Apache inside!</FONT> </P><BR>
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