RE: Why does it take so long to write archive logs

Just wanted to say thanks for the information.

Bryan

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Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 6:54 PM
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|Oracle says it is not their problem. They are waiting for the confirmation

|that the file is written. It is written just like any sequential file. It
|does not pre-allocate and then load the data.

|Yes, the database would stop after it had rolled through all log groups and

|could not continue until the oldest one finished archiving. We would see
|where other logs would archive just fine while one was taking forever. We
|have 8 log groups. So, for example, it would archive 1,2,and 3 then 4
would
|just sit there while it archived 5,6,7,8,1,2,3 and then the db would hang.

|It has taken over an hour for it to free up sometimes. This happened where

|the two machines were sitting side by side with a GigE connection between
|them writing to local disks as well as to a remote machine with a NetApp
|storage connection. It didn't seem to matter what the device was, just
that
|it was archiving to another machine. As a work around, we turned off
|automatic archiving and used scripts to copy the archive logs. And yes, we

|had them set as optional and I believe that is why it let us continue to
use
|up the other logs but once it wrapped around it could not continue.

Even with optional? Arrrggh! Guess I'm not reading the documentation correctly (LOG_ARCHIVE_DEST_N and LOG_ARCHIVE_MIN_SUCCEED_DEST default 1) or

perhaps it just hasn't actually "failed" by taking too long... hmmm...

Kip

|John

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|Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 10:25 AM
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|John,

|Did Oracle give you any idea as to what Oracle was doing to the archive log
|files, while it was waiting for the hardware/network issues to be resolved?

|I understand that the redo log information is written the archive log file,
|but does Oracle create a file with the correct size allocated and then put
|the information into it or does it create the file, write all the
|information into it and then update a byte within the file with a check
|digit to ensure the file is complete?

|TIA,

|Bryan

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|Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 7:34 PM
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|I had a similar problem on 9.2 and, just as you describe, I could watch the
|file on the remote location and the byte count would show the whole file
was
|there but the alert log file would not show the archive complete for as
long
|an one hour. When it did finally complete, the byte count on the remote
|file did not change. I worked with Oracle for several month before they
|finally convinced me it was a network problem. I do not really know
|anything about networks so I cannot really help you but our Unix admin guys
|made some changes in the network and the problem went away. Sorry, I
cannot
|give you more info because we were also in the process of changing out a
lot
|of hardware including network hardware so there is no magic parameter I can
|tell you to change. Just talk to your network gurus and hopefully, they
can
|figure it out.

|HTH,
|John

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|Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:34 PM
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|Hello everyone,

|We have an 8.1.7.4 on HP-UX 11.0 OPS database that uses 200mb archive logs
|with 3 archive log destinations, the first destination is local to the
|machine which is mandatory, the second destination is a filesystem
|accessible via nfs which is optional and the third destination is a remote
|standby database accessible via a vpn which is also optional. We have 10
|archive processes to take care of the writing of the archives. Both the
|local destination and nfs mounted filesystems are on a HP XP256 storage
|device.

|This morning there was a process running that would update a table that is
|used for a catalog of parts. The process was producing archive logs, but
the
|archives were taking around 10 minutes to write. During the process we
would
|see the file created with the expected byte count of the file within the
|first minute, but the timestamp of the file would indicate access for the
|next ten minutes.

|We have two other 8.1.7 databases that are setup in a similar manner (that
|are not OPS) that have 2 destinations, one local and the other being sent
to
|a remote standy database. We are not seeing the same type of issue with the
|archive logs.

|Can someone point me in the direction of either information or advice about
|why the archives may be taking so long to write?

|Is it that we have 3 destinations and it waits until all 3 destinations are
|taken care of?

|Why does the archive log file appear to be modified even though the byte
|count hasn't changed?

|TIA,

|Bryan Rodrigues
|Elcom, Inc.
|Oracle DBA
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