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ER Tools (was: erwin)

From: Jesse, Rich <>
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 12:41:58 -0700
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Anyone care to ballpark a $$$ on the registered version of ERwin? I'm guessing it's expensive, and Computer ASSociates doesn't exactly trip my trigger.

I'm trying to find a low-cost ER tool in order to get some simple data modeling done. So far, this is what I've found (VERY briefly):

  1. Visio. Needs Enterprise edition. The UI is a pain, as far as I'm concerned. Pain, pain, pain. Cheapest viable option so far at less than $500/user. It can be used for more than just data modeling.
  2. Oracle 9iDS. Hugely bloated. Relies on a 3GB (minimum) repository for some stupid reason. Apparently can't buy just Designer, which is all we need. Difficult to get started (concepts and management of workspace, container). Slow on a 2.4Ghz PC w/512MB RAM, although this may be due to me having to create the [EMAIL PROTECTED] repository DB on the same PC. Very comprehensive, though, from what I've seen. Can't access drawings from the OS, since they're (probably) in the repository.
  3. No freeware tools such as dia, VisioModeler (pre-MS version of Visio), OpenOffice, or Koffice seemed to be able to draw crow's foot diagrams.
  4. Sybase PowerBuilder. Didn't check out the download yet, although a demo of an older version (v6) seems like it would work. Not impressed with Sybase in general and it's probably in the $1Ks/user.
  5. Data Architect from only does physical modelling and their Kivio product doesn't seem to support crow's foot.
  6. DeZign from Haven't downloaded the demo yet, but the single screenshot looks promising. And at $149/user or $119/user for 10 licenses, I'm hoping...

I've been looking thru past messages found on (better searching than and this is the majority of what I've been able to find. Anyone have more to add?


Rich Jesse                           System/Database Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED]                  Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Wade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 9:49 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: Re: erwin
> hello:
> The below has info about the product:
> The below has the download link:
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: erwin
> >Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 04:54:25 -0800
> >
> > How can I found a trial version of erwin
> >
> >Danke...
> >Arslan.

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