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Re: Opinions request - Oracle on WIN2K vs Unix

From: david davis <ddoralist_at_hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 07:36:41 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.0058A2B4.20030426073641@fatcity.com>


Steve,

Our place isn't that bad. Can't say we follow fads, not really that trendy. The basic driver is to trim the IT budgest, but improve quality/uptime/service. The usual do more with less and for less. Things change slowly which can be a good thing when executive management changes frequently. It allows you to avoid the technology swings. Some years back the "Std RDBMS was Sysbase", then it was "UDB" now it seems like it is SQL Server. The effect is we have the entire lot (except maybe Informix). We do have the multiple h/w vendors but as you say when a vendor "ticks off" the company they get turfed.

The main "strategic trend" seems MSFT products, but we still have like 60+ Unix servers, but even that is shrinking. One of our area's ditched a HP V Class for SQL Server on a Unisys server. They boosted performance and trimmed over a million of their budget. Thats after porting costs. Perhaps, the Unix vendors are going to be pricing themselves out of existance. Sort of like Oracle and its pricing.

Actually, it would probably be best for me to encourage the switch to WIN2K with so much switching to that environment. As someone said on the list - its good for the resume.

btw We have gone through the name changes also. Including Enterprise Systems - "Beam me up Scottie - there is no intelligent life down here"

Cheers,
David

>From: "Steve Perry" <sperry_at_sprynet.com>
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: Re: Opinions request - Oracle on WIN2K vs Unix
>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:26:39 -0800
>
><ranting>
>I used to work for a place that changed with the latest fad - or as you
>said
>"challenged" you.
>At one time, they had a small staff of highly skilled unix admins and dbas.
>Then, they hired this shmuck that subscribed to Gartner. When Gartner said
>SQL Server was getting better, we bought it and started a slow process to
>migrate things there, When Oracle was hot again, we backed off moving away
>from it. When IBM and UDB were mentioned for being scalable and cheaper
>than
>Oracle, we bought it. It was that way for hardware too. If IBM pissed them
>off, SUN was brought in. Get the picture???
>After about 5 years, that small Unix/Oracle staff had grown to 3 camps of
>admins/DBAs. All fighting and trying to maneuver their platform into the
>"most favored" status. The groups didn't care too much for either (i.e. a
>lot of sniping in meetings). Tons more harware to maintain and tons more
>staff to pay. The interesting thing is that as people left to chase dreams
>elsewhere, the skills of the remaining staff diminished. They hired
>inexpensive people that knew a little about something and NOT a lot about
>anything. Instead of have a group of highly skilled people, we had 3 groups
>with 1 or 2 highly skilled people and the rest were bottom feeders. Their
>reputation got trashed with the developers so they didn't ask for help
>anymore. Instead of helping and planning, DBAs asked "do you want to biggie
>size that database?"
>I know I probably missed something, but that idiot turned a highly skilled
>shop into a complete mess. If you have a good staff that is working
>efficiently and exceeding expectations, uptime... then don't mess with it!
>For some reason these guys think they have to come in, shake things up and
>leave "their" mark. They should stick with the stuff they do best like
>changing the division names from "IT" to "EIS" (enterprise information
>systems)....
></ranting>
>
>I hope your place doesn't go down the same path.
>
>my 2
>
>Steve
>
>----- Original Message -----
>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:01 AM
>
>
> > Darrell,
> >
> > The reason we are considering the move is because the CIO said to
>consider
> > it. Last year it was consider moving to SQL Server. Thankfully, I dodged
> > that bullet - porting costs were too high.
> >
> > From his level (and he "loves" microsoft) is that the hardware is a lot
>more
> > expensive for the non-Intel Unix servers. Which is somewhat true. Though
>our
> > own internal studies a couple of years ago, was that Unix servers were
> > cheaper to manage than Windows servers. Something to do with the
>frequency
> > of problems/reboots/security patches. But, when the demi-god "Evil I
> > believe" on high says to do something - we kind of have to if we want to
> > keep our jobs. All we need to do is provide evidence to counter his
>view.
>He
> > keeps us on our toes by challenging the status quo. Which isn't a bad
>thing
> > - but it is annoying.
> >
> > David
> > >From: "Darrell Landrum" <DLANDRUM_at_zalecorp.com>
> > >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > >Subject: Re: Opinions request - Oracle on WIN2K vs Unix
> > >Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:42:17 -0800
> > >
> > >I'm afraid my opinion of moving from HP-UX to windows would get me
> > >censored if not kicked off the list.
> > > :)
> > >However, I will ask the question of why? See, it seems you're asking
> > >why not make the move when in reality your organization should not be
> > >considering the move without good reasons to do so.
> > >
> > > >>> ddoralist_at_hotmail.com 04/24/03 03:41PM >>>
> > >We are in the midst of pondering a move from HP Unix (HP/UX) to WIN2K
> > >and
> > >upgrading Oracle 7.3.4 to 9iR2.
> > >
> > >I would like opinions from people on the merits or problems with
> > >supporting/administering multiple Oracle instances on WIN2K.
> > >
> > >Multiple as in 14 instances in development and 2 (OLTP/ODS {pronounced
> > >
> > >odious}) in production for PeopleSoft HRMS with the expectation of also
> > >
> > >having SQL Server on the same server (Data Transformation Services for
> > >cheap
> > >ETL).
> > >
> > >David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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