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You have to understand that different people / organisations have different
requirements.
Some companies will pay huge amount of cash for the peace of mind that they can ring Sun and have someone onsite at 4:00am Sunday morning (or whatever time people hate working at) when required. They might require extremely expensive hardware with guaranteed uptimes, or they might require massive hardware (RAM / CPU) to get the job done in the available time frame.
Some companies (especially some universities) might already have licensing deals with Microsoft which make configuring an additional Win2K server effectively free. Or perhaps they have 50 support staff that are skilled in Microsoft and very weak *nix skills.
Unless the organisation is a startup there is probably some kind of existing infrastructure to fit within, and this can have a significant impact on both availability and cost. Buying the actual OS is probably one of the cheapest costs.
How can anyone here propose that Solaris beats Win2K, or vice versa, without knowing the specific requirements or existing environment?
Regards,
Mark.
PS: Yes, I've worked at both ends of the spectrum (from desktop PC's being used as servers with no redundancy, etc to obscene amount of Solaris hardware in secure data centre type environments). In both situations I thought the hardware was appropriate for the environment.
Lyndon Tiu
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Seriously now.
I know you are trying to evaluate Solaris and Windows, but ...
Linux is the way to go. Sun's are expensive machines.
NT/2K are cheap(er) but locks you into an expensive software upgrade cycle.
Linux costs very little and runs on cheap hardware.
-- Lyndon Tiu On Monday 11 November 2002 06:58 pm, Stephen Lee wrote:Received on Mon Nov 11 2002 - 22:23:24 CST
> -----Original Message-----
> Now that that's out of the way, what I am trying to do is find
> objective material comparing the use of MS Windows 2000
> Server on Intel HW to Solaris on Sun HW.
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> My personal bias against Windows is based mostly on three things.
>
> 1. Incompatibility with everything else. Microsoft makes its products
as
> incompatible as it can get away with so that once you start going down
the
> Microsoft path, you become more and more locked into that path.
>
> 2. It is a single-user operating system. Microsoft has done a pretty
good
> job of making it look otherwise by tacking on some multi-user extensions;
> but it is, in fact, NOT a multi-user OS. Just try creating a general
user
> so that user can install, upgrade, and maintain their application without
> having administrator privilege. It ain't gonna happen. And that brings
up
> the main problem with this arrangement: Every user that must support an
> application on the box must have administrator privilege. This, of
course,
> presents a completely insecure environment.
>
> 3. In its "normal" form, there is an amazing lack of the kind of support
> and scripting utilities the are normal on Unix. True, if one wants to
> spend the time, many of the utilities can be set up on NT; but that
> involves additional setup and maintenance time -- which your NT admins
> might not be inclined to do if the bureaucracy of your organization
> requires that they do it. If your scripting abilities are substantial,
> then you, no doubt, automate many things with scripts. If you have built
> these scripts with a non-standard environment, then you have built your
> house on shifting sand. (By the way, this is why I do not fully support
> Linux.)
>
> I must agree that I do like the Dell Poweredge stuff. I was using it
years
> ago, and the value is certainly compelling. It's too bad that Sun did
the
> same thing with Solaris on Intel that IBM did to OS/2 (got very stuck up
> about it and over-priced the crap out of everything until it was too
late).
> But the Sun hardware (and IBM too) ain't all that shabby either. And my
> past experience -- when I was a sys admin work -- with Sun customer
support
> was very positive. IBM .... eh, so-so ... maybe.
>
> Perhaps another thing to consider: If you have ever tried to upgrade the
OS
> on a NT box supporting third-party applications, I suspect you discovered
> that it can be an excrutiatingly painful experience ... If you even
> succeeded at all.
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