I was about to say "I won't be working anymore for Oracle version 27i".
and then I realized that at the rate Oracle is releasing new versions,
that would be next year so I'll probably still be doing this stuff
- "Gogala, Mladen" <MGogala_at_oxhp.com> wrote:
> What happened to the dream about the database that doesn't need
> a DBA? Something like that was announced for the version 27i.
> You know, everything will tune itself, database engine will
> tap directly into the user's mind and, based on that, define the
> best possible access path. Of course, the instance would spread
> iself ideally accross the available disks, allocate the optimum
> amount of memory, tune its parameters and deinstall any MS Office
> products from the machine. Sort of Larry Ellison's version of
> "I have a dream" speach.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100_at_yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 3:20 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: Re:RE: Rant
> >
> >
> > um no, I mean they are redoing it AGAIN!!!!
> >
> > I love Oracle, it provides me with an ever and ever steeper
> learning
> > curve....
> >
> >
> > --- dgoulet_at_vicr.com wrote:
> > > YUP, Saw the new version at an Oracle event in Boston a couple
> of
> > > months ago.
> > > Seems that nothing is sacred anymore. BTW: Installer changes
> too,
> > > now you need
> > > a full multimedia terminal, 4 channel audio & VR headset
> > recommended.
> > > :o)
> > >
> > > Dick Goulet
> > >
> > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________
> > > Author: Rachel Carmichael <wisernet100_at_yahoo.com>
> > > Date: 7/22/2002 9:53 AM
> > >
> > > you can see how often I use the GUI :)
> > >
> > > OBTW.. for those of you who are OEM fans... I heard a rumor (from
> a
> > > fairly well-informed, usually accurate source) that
> > Oracle's changing
> > > it all again.
> > >
> > > T
> > > --- April Wells <awells_at_csedge.com> wrote:
> > > > IT'S NOT a radio button... It is a regular CLICKY button....
> geez
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 10:24 AM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Good rant. :)
> > > >
> > > > I sympathize. The answer I get more and more is "I click on
> this
> > > item
> > > > on the GUI..." (I didn't ask you that, I asked you the theory
> > > behind
> > > > that little radio button)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- mkb <mkb125_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > Ok, I need to vent a little.
> > > > >
> > > > > Last week, I was asked to do some tech interviews over
> > > > > the phones for a mid level DBA position. Someone with
> > > > > about 2-3 years experience.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't consider myself a real smart DBA, nor do I
> > > > > think that I ask particularly tough questions. The
> > > > > questions that I ask potential candidates are soley
> > > > > based on what is on the resume. So I figure if
> > > > > someone has, say, hot backups or SQL tuning on their
> > > > > resumes, I'd expect them to be able to hold a fairly
> > > > > intelligent conversation about these topics. No such
> > > > > luck!
> > > > >
> > > > > What really frustrated me, and what I really want to
> > > > > get out of my system, is that nobody that I talked to,
> > > > > had a real good concept of hot backups. Forget about
> > > > > recovery. I asked each and every candidate who
> > > > > claimed to have done hot backups, just give me a high
> > > > > level overview of how you do a hot backup. Don't care
> > > > > about syntax, just give me the mechanics. The answers
> > > > > I got were completely off base, baffling and
> > > > > frustrating. Some of these folks claimed to have 5
> > > > > years experience!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > 'Well, we use scripts to do these, so I'm not sure how
> > > > > these are done...' (But it says on your resume you've
> > > > > done this???)
> > > > >
> > > > > 'Oh, I take the tablespace offline, and copy the
> > > > > datafile to tape...' (Unless I'm mistaken, that's not
> > > > > how a hot backup is done, right?)
> > > > >
> > > > > 'Well, I use the export utility, and as the backup
> > > > > starts, it is written to the dump file.' (Huh? What?)
> > > > >
> > > > > 'During this time, everything is written to the redo
> > > > > logs and not to the tablespace...' (You've been
> > > > > reading one of those books, haven't you?)
> > > > >
> > > > > I also asked them how they'd put a tablespace in
> > > > > backup mode. Simple enough, right? Not one of them
> > > > > got it right. Not even close. Didn't have clue as to
> > > > > what I was talking about. Fair enough, you don't
> > > > > know. Well how about a simple recovery scenario. I
> > > > > asked every candidate how they would do an online
> > > > > recover of a datafile while the database was still in
> > > > > use. No ideas. Not even close.
> > > > >
> > > > > I dunno, perhaps I'm spoilt by being a member of this
> > > > > list? Perhaps I expect every candidate to be as
> > > > > knowledgeable as you guys? Perhaps I'm asking too
> > > > > much?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rant over. Thanks for listening.
> > > > >
> > > > > mkb
> > > > >
> > > > >
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